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16th November 2013, 19:33
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L-plater
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Santiago Chile
Posts: 64
Car(s): '00 Saxo VTS Turbo
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BE3 and BE4 gearbox difference?
Hi all:
I just wanted to know whats the difference between the BE3 and BE4 gearbox because i want to swap my saxo turbo MA gearbox and i dont know which one to choose... which one is better and from which cars are both of them? thanks a lot bye!
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16th November 2013, 21:18
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Established Member
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Farnham Surrey
Posts: 1,542
Car(s): AX GT 16v turbo 6 speed with NOS
205 gti6
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Be1, be3 and be3/6 have an xubellhousing
Be4 have the tu bellhousing
The be4 bellhousing is what you need then can mix and match the internals even fitting the 6 speed be3/6
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16th November 2013, 21:29
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L-plater
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Santiago Chile
Posts: 64
Car(s): '00 Saxo VTS Turbo
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OK, thanks one last question i know in a left hand drive saxo you can use the 306 1.8 16v shaft on the driver side, but do you know which model do i need to find to use the other side as a plug and play or i have to modify it? thanks a lot.
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16th November 2013, 21:32
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Saxperience Forum Bum
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: South Wales
Posts: 3,076
Car(s): ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
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BE4 also have an XU/XUD bellhousing, and a DW, and an EP, and EW, and DV.
its not as simple as saying you need a BE4 box, you need the one with the correct bellhousing, which will be from a TU engined vehicle.
as for gear ratios, that can be sorted afterwards.
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16th November 2013, 21:36
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L-plater
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Santiago Chile
Posts: 64
Car(s): '00 Saxo VTS Turbo
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Ok the idea is to get a BE who was coupled with a TU engine in my case or XU engine in other cases to match the engine block holes. (Plug and play in some sorts)
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17th November 2013, 08:30
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Scotland
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peugoet partner .berlingo ,piccasso --fitted eith tu5 engine
early piccasso +pug partner have cable clutch --later ones have hydraulic
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17th November 2013, 10:00
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Location: South Wales
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Car(s): ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
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c4, 307, 308, probably quite a few more.
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24th November 2013, 19:50
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by welshpug
c4, 307, 308, probably quite a few more.
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None of those are cable operated are they?
I am looking for one not having any luck.
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24th November 2013, 20:53
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Saxperience Addict
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Solihull / Bournemouth
Posts: 14,233
Car(s): 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R
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I might have a be box (to fit tu engine) and cable shift setup in bournemouth that i can bring upto my home in Leamington spa.
Not 100% if still got it but would need to check.
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24th November 2013, 20:59
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I have satchift but the box would be great...
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25th November 2013, 08:32
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Car(s): ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
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Any of them can be converted to cable easily.
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25th November 2013, 12:02
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Really? I asked atspeed and they said they never heard of one being converted. So can you share any info?
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25th November 2013, 12:05
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Cambridge(ish), UK.
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Car(s): BMW 5x M50d.
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Several were cable out of the factory. Parts are available on service box. I looked at it a while ago for a sequential conversion.
Edit - I may have misread - I'm talking about cable shift not clutch operation. Apologies.
Last edited by Ross; 25th November 2013 at 12:09.
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25th November 2013, 15:48
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Saxperience Forum Bum
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either clutch or shifting can be converted to cable, xsara picasso was cable shift, I've got the parts off a picasso gearbox as it will have a satchsift fitted.
afaik you can't use factory cable shift in a saxo/106 due to the shape of the bulkhead and position of the steering arms.
have a look on servicebox.
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25th November 2013, 16:36
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Yeah my original plan was to convert to cable shift, and from there sequential using a cable/sequential adapter - but I've given up on that route for a while as other plans have got in the way.
I think with the sequential leaver the routing issue will be overcome.
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25th November 2013, 17:55
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Im just talking about the clutch 
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25th November 2013, 20:16
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you either didn't explain to them clearly or whoever you were talking to doesn't have a clue, as Atspeed include the cable type clutch fork in their conversion kit (its an o.e part available from a pug/citroen dealer)
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25th November 2013, 23:04
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Rang atspeed saturday... said im having no luck finding a cable clutch operated be box.. i asked is it possible to convert a hydraulic one to cable. Reply was not that we know of.
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26th November 2013, 14:59
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err.
ok
LMAO.
See the fork with the white balljoint cup?
yeah, LOL, 2117 58, £30 from a dealer.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLUTCH-FOR...-/330843711937
£17 posted from neat autos.
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26th November 2013, 17:21
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I have bought the above kit last tuesdy. Yet to be delivered.
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