Proper nice sidelights (hids?)

[Rudpud]

Originally Posted by _-john-_

It almost gives me instant-roadrage, and I'm literally the most laid-back-don't-give-a-shit person you'll ever meet. I did a bit of research online and it seems theres plans on cracking down on this, not only on motorists (on the spot fine without any chance of a warning) but on MOT garages that pass cars with them on.

also pisses me off when people have their lights misaligned and it's blinding, it's quite painfully obvious when looking at how your light reflects on the back of the car in front that one/both lights are bright as a motherfucker.

You are the least laid back person on here imo. The only cars i can say dazzle me with HID's are things like X5's and Range Rovers.

Originally Posted by bedford126

not true hid kits are perfectly fine if you buy and use them with projector headlight units.

They have to be fitted at manufacture to be road legal, due to other safety reasons.

[_-john-_]

Originally Posted by Tom5190

talking out of your arse there to be honest. Firstly they have a massive difference in light output, if they didnt then manufacture's wouldnt fit them. How the hell are they for showing off? there headlights

I see plenty of cars driving towards me that didnt have them fitted from manufacture and there not dazzling at all. Just idiots tend to fit them and not align the headlights proeprlly.

And the need in light output is for?.....

Man kind has coped perfectly well without fucking dickhead bright lights on cars for many decades now, there are more accidents BECAUSE of drivers being dazzled by fuckwit 4 billion gigawatt lamps on cars than there are because of 'lack of visibility'. Fact.

You've bought into a bellend trend, simple.

[_-john-_]

Originally Posted by Rudpud

You are the least laid back person on here imo. The only cars i can say dazzle me with HID's are things like X5's and Range Rovers.

Haha, ridiculous. You don't know anything about me sunshine. Wouldn't make some lighting debate something personal, it's pathetic.

[Rudpud]

Originally Posted by _-john-_

Haha, ridiculous. You don't know anything about me sunshine. Wouldn't make some lighting debate something personal, it's pathetic.

You posts prove im right. Either way, forget about that. I like the lights for the light they produce... just as many others do. They do increase visabilty as i found out when i managed to use some for 5 minutes. Any increase in light output, by any bulb will make it harder for oncoming traffic to see.

[Tom5190]

Originally Posted by _-john-_

And the need in light output is for?.....

Man kind has coped perfectly well without fucking dickhead bright lights on cars for many decades now, there are more accidents BECAUSE of drivers being dazzled by fuckwit 4 billion gigawatt lamps on cars than there are because of 'lack of visibility'. Fact.

You've bought into a bellend trend, simple.

I bought HIDS for the driving i do, doing loads of motorway driving at night, the standard lights on my car were shocking, to the point of being dangerous. How is it a trend like i said its a headlight its hardly a 'mod' as such.

But there not dazzling if the headlight level is set correct. Just as many standard bulbs dazzle as HIDs to.

Especially the projector HID bulbs are less dazzling than standard none projector bulbs!

[_-john-_]

So if you're driving at night, on a motorway, you definitely don't need them...do you? It's hardly a twisty as fuck back road in Cornwall somewhere is it!?

[_-john-_]

Originally Posted by Rudpud

You posts prove im right. Either way, forget about that. I like the lights for the light they produce... just as many others do. They do increase visabilty as i found out when i managed to use some for 5 minutes. Any increase in light output, by any bulb will make it harder for oncoming traffic to see.

Really? Haha, science everyone...it's right here in Bold.

[Dave_P]

I'm with John on this one, the sooner all the inconsiderate drivers with illegal non o/e HID's are stopped, fined and get a 21 day ticket to rectify the lights the better!

[AXracing]

Rudpud is correct in that any increase of your own vehicle light output will adversely effect other road users. This is why laws governing things such as maximum headlight intensity, bulb type and bulb wattage where introduced. The reality is even an old car like the original incandescent bulb in minis had enough light to drive at normal road speeds. Road speeds have not increased but lights have got brighter due to technology moving on. This is why more and more restrictions are being introduced. If any one is having problem seeing at night there may be a fault with there headlights. Old bulbs can get dim over time and ellectrical issues can easily result in dimmer lights. There are also plenty of medical conditions that can show them self this way. Everything from just requiring corrective lenses to nyctalopia or even other neurological conditions. If you are finding normal lights dangerous you should probably see a specialist as if the problem can not be corrected you should not be driving at night or possibly at all.

[Tom5190]

Originally Posted by _-john-_

So if you're driving at night, on a motorway, you definitely don't need them...do you? It's hardly a twisty as fuck back road in Cornwall somewhere is it!?

What when your doing 70 on a road and can barely see were your going? Erm yes its pretty essential to have good vision. Im not saying everyone needs them but i found the headlights shit on my car, and i think your wrong and narrowminded to say that all hids are pointless, have no pros over normal lights and they all dazzle people

[Mattquantrill101]

Funny how things kick off innit.

[SteveWC]

My eyes work perfectly fine but didnt stop me nearly binning it on a corner when some idiot in a new bmw/merc coming the other way completely blinded me.

Pretty tight corner and I was going round at 60, had to completely guess the last few seconds i.e. turning the wheel without being able to see the road in front and hoping for the best!

Could of completely wrote my car off coz of some bullshit bright lamps so I gotta agree with those who are complaining

[_-john-_]

Originally Posted by Tom5190

What when your doing 70 on a road and can barely see were your going? Erm yes its pretty essential to have good vision. Im not saying everyone needs them but i found the headlights shit on my car, and i think your wrong and narrowminded to say that all hids are pointless, have no pros over normal lights and they all dazzle people

What a load of cod shit!

[_-john-_]

Originally Posted by AXracing

Rudpud is correct in that any increase of your own vehicle light output will adversely effect other road users. This is why laws governing things such as maximum headlight intensity, bulb type and bulb wattage where introduced. The reality is even an old car like the original incandescent bulb in minis had enough light to drive at normal road speeds. Road speeds have not increased but lights have got brighter due to technology moving on. This is why more and more restrictions are being introduced. If any one is having problem seeing at night there may be a fault with there headlights. Old bulbs can get dim over time and ellectrical issues can easily result in dimmer lights. There are also plenty of medical conditions that can show them self this way. Everything from just requiring corrective lenses to nyctalopia or even other neurological conditions. If you are finding normal lights dangerous you should probably see a specialist as if the problem can not be corrected you should not be driving at night or possibly at all.

Rudpuds saying they're fine mate, it's me who's bitching!

[Abass123]

Originally Posted by CitroenSport

thats what i have, dont think they are legal just like hid's but nothing else compares

it doesnt matter they look the bollox imo

[Tom5190]

Originally Posted by _-john-_

What a load of cod shit!

How and why?

[_-john-_]

Originally Posted by Tom5190

How and why?

You're being flamboyantly over the top about driving at night. If there was any danger at all related to the normal brightness of dipped beam lights on vehicles that have been standard for nigh on 60 years, there would have been legislation to MAKE light brighter on car headlamps.

On the contrary, there is legislation to BAN hids, retrofitting is illegal, factory fitted ones are more than likely going to be put to bed too, they're ridiculously inconsiderate for other drivers.

You quite simply don't NEED them, that's the important thing here. You've fitted them because you want to modify your car, same as everyone else who's done it.

To anyone who's sat in front of you, they're a massive fuck off pain in the arse, having to raise their rear view mirror and change the angle of their wing mirrors to advert the glaring reflection so they can see forward correctly, causes dangerous situations because their surroundings can't be checked properly.

To anyone coming in the opposite direction to you, they're more than likely (unless sat in a vehicle considerably higher than yours) are going to have a hard time seeing what's going on properly.

They're pointless, dangerous, unecessary and tacky additions to vehicles that quite simply do NOT need them.

That is why what you said is a load of cod shit, this isn't even remotely subjective, it's factual that they're not suitable for normal road use, hence them saying on most packages that they're for off road use.

The sooner people like you get slapped with 3 points and an on the spot fine, the better.

[_-john-_]

To quote AXracing in his extremely informative sticky here: http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=134648

Retrofit HID bulbs kits.

In the UK with the governments publishing of "The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations" of 1989
these kits were made illegal to use on the public road. It is an offence to use such kits on the road. For the latest regulations visit the governments Department For Transports home page www.dft.gov.uk And more on the European commissions website www.unece.org According to the police the maximum fine for having these fitted to a road vehicle in the UK is £2500. Also if such a kit is found to be a factor in any incident on the road you can be held liable and end up with a limitless fine and limitless time in jail. These kits are also banned in the rest of Europe, Hong Kong, US and most of the rest of the world.

General disadvantage of HID bulbs.

A big issue with HID headlights is there significantly worse colour rendering index. HID are in the high 60s to low 70s. Halogen tends to be in the mid 90s. This means that the human eye colour perception and differentiation is massively superior under halogen light than under the light produced by automotive HID. Or simply put you can see better with a halogen light. For basic information on what the colour rendering index is all about follow this link
http://www.learn.londonmet.ac.uk/pac...rendering.html

High wattage halogen bulbs.

Lm for Lm these bulbs produce a far superior light than HID with increases visibility and reduced glare. Though they are still much like the retrofit HID bulbs, this is in that they are also illegal for road use in the UK and Europe just as retrofit HID bulbs are. Though significantly higher wattage bulbs do have an added disadvantage of they can overload the original electrical system. Though moderate increase in bulb wattage has been used for many years for off road applications on many otherwise standard variety of cars. You can be fined up to £1000 for having these fitted to a road going Saxo. Also if such a kit is found to be a factor in any incident on the road you can be held liable.

[Rudpud]

Originally Posted by _-john-_

The sooner people like you get slapped with 3 points and an on the spot fine, the better.

This has annoyed me. There is no need for an on the spot fine and definately no need for 3 points. At most you should be asked to remove them from your car and have to prove that you have.

People like you are the reason why stupid law's such as exhaust noise and other such bollocks law may come into place.

Btw, saying about modding cars, have you not modded your VTS in any way?

Edit.
This thread isnt about HID's so just shut up about it.

[Tom5190]

Originally Posted by _-john-_

You're being flamboyantly over the top about driving at night. If there was any danger at all related to the normal brightness of dipped beam lights on vehicles that have been standard for nigh on 60 years, there would have been legislation to MAKE light brighter on car headlamps.

On the contrary, there is legislation to BAN hids, retrofitting is illegal, factory fitted ones are more than likely going to be put to bed too, they're ridiculously inconsiderate for other drivers.

You quite simply don't NEED them, that's the important thing here. You've fitted them because you want to modify your car, same as everyone else who's done it.

To anyone who's sat in front of you, they're a massive fuck off pain in the arse, having to raise their rear view mirror and change the angle of their wing mirrors to advert the glaring reflection so they can see forward correctly, causes dangerous situations because their surroundings can't be checked properly.


To anyone coming in the opposite direction to you, they're more than likely (unless sat in a vehicle considerably higher than yours) are going to have a hard time seeing what's going on properly.

They're pointless, dangerous, unecessary and tacky additions to vehicles that quite simply do NOT need them.

That is why what you said is a load of cod shit, this isn't even remotely subjective, it's factual that they're not suitable for normal road use, hence them saying on most packages that they're for off road use.

The sooner people like you get slapped with 3 points and an on the spot fine, the better.

No i havnt

Thats not the case for all HID lights at all ive had plenty of cars behind me with HIDs fitted and tehre not dazzling at all. You cant sit there and say all HIDS are dangerously too bright, because there simply not.

So the factory fitted HID's on an A6 arnt suitable? guess a shit load of other people who bought cars with them fitted by manufactures will get 3 points then too eh