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12th June 2011, 16:49
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Advice on turbo setups :)
Looking at going boost! Any advice on turbo setups etc and prices
Cheers
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12th June 2011, 17:01
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budget?
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12th June 2011, 17:05
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12th June 2011, 17:07
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Dont really have a set budget obviously dont want to spend a ridiculous amount of money but i want a decent set up! Just seeing what my options are
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12th June 2011, 17:20
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spend £1500 to get a vts roughly 170bhp @ 6-8psi on STD internals..
OR spend £3-4000k to get a vts roughly 230-300bhp @ 15-20psi on low comps..
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12th June 2011, 23:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saxova
spend £1500 to get a vts roughly 170bhp @ 6-8psi on STD internals..
OR spend £3-4000k to get a vts roughly 230-300bhp @ 15-20psi on low comps..
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Those figures need adjusting... by miles.
To the OP - set your budget. Double it. Go from there. And I'm not joking. If you budget £1,500 allow more like £2,500. The budget will dictate how much power you can get, unless budget isn't a problem, then just pick how you want the car to behave - is there a reason you want to go turbo? Supercharged is far kinder to every component, can be just as powerful to all intents and purposes for what's usable on the road.
Are you chasing pub figures or want a road or track weapon?
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12th June 2011, 17:22
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Can set up a low boost set up for under a grand reliably if you know what you're doing.
Depends how much work you're looking to do yourself?
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15th June 2011, 18:36
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Check this out on ebay im selling item no 12073761506
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15th June 2011, 18:41
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Quote:
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Check this out on ebay im selling item no 12073761506
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doest work mate
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15th June 2011, 18:48
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Woops 120737761509
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12th June 2011, 17:26
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Well im up for doing work myself as my dads a mechanic so can help out, just obviously cost of parts and mapping etc cheers
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12th June 2011, 18:57
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Your looking at 1500 for a dp engineering basic kit, intercooler, intercooler piping, ecu/ mf2 all extra. Could get cheaper stuff but dp is quality kit. Cituning kit costs similar and isn't as good. Dunno if you need bigger injectors for low boost
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12th June 2011, 22:45
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cheers for the advice lads. Sent an email to atspeed hopefully here back from them soon
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12th June 2011, 23:35
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I can see what you mean about budget looking at your car absolute weapon! I would be happy with around 200 bhp! Dont really have a budget just dont want to be spending ridiculous amounts as obviously have to uprate brakes etc! I want a track weapon that i can drive on the road aswell! Any advice on setups or preferences mate?
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12th June 2011, 23:47
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200bhp is loads for the road I promise. If the car is stripped (ie light) you'll get it down to about 800kgs, so will have a very respectable power to weight ratio that'll really show up a huge range of "proper" cars Roads that are really really good fun to drive down with 200bhp become almost undrivable at 300bhp. If its 200bhp or thereabouts, you can do that without going low comps but of course, you'll want more power once you've got the bug
As you've noticed, it's the incidentals that add up - brakes are just one part. go towards the 300bhp mark, and gearbox is another issue that'll see you £1000+ lighter.
A year ago, I'd have recommended the DP engineering setup, but after we had a problem with the exhaust manifold that we reported to DP they didn't fix it - I saw a brand new DP manifold just two weeks ago with the same fault. In our case, the fault was bad enough to rip a manifold stud out the head and caused us a lot of problems. The manifold IS good, but really - for 200bhp, a home made manifold is more than enough, even though it looks ugly
There's plenty of ways to keep the costs down from using a GT3 intercooler to using second hand clio injectors, etc etc. There's lots of ways, especially if you do most of the work yourself. There's a HUGE amount to be saved just in the management route too - you can go MF2 with a basic setup, but even if you go Omex or Emerald, you shouldn't be paying ANY more than £450 for mapping from start to finish.
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13th June 2011, 00:11
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look at dp engineering stuff, very good
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13th June 2011, 00:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeM
look at dp engineering stuff, very good
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As I said - I wouldn't trust a new manifold still because of the problems we had, and from what I've seen of the brand new one the other week.
This (and a stud thread removed from the head):
caused by this:
I prefer my manifold flanges to be flat
We had to shave the manifold down after finding out the hard way.
Overall though, the manifold is very good - If I was doing it again though, I'd have the manifold headers made individually rather than as one single plate.
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13th June 2011, 00:12
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also what ecu do you have? single plug or 3 plug? if its single pug have a look into the predator ecu
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13th June 2011, 00:21
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well thats the first bad thing ive heard about DP personally. its still what id go for
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13th June 2011, 00:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeM
well thats the first bad thing ive heard about DP personally. its still what id go for
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Don't get me wrong - I'm not slating it. But they still haven't fixed the warping of the manifolds that is created when they make it, even though they know about it. Still - if it only affects me, and hasn't affected anyone else then I guess mine was just worse (typical luck).
It's still what I'd go for (obviously - it's what I run!) - there's nothing else off the shelf that comes close in quality.
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