406 2litre turbo conversion - Page 3 - Saxperience

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 02:35

Lol.I no mate I was joking I used to own an r33 and I sold it because a new headlight cost me like £300 just for 1.that and fuel prices soared through the roof.thats why I love lil French cars so fucking cheap and if you gotta quick one it'll embarrass most JAP cars for fast road use (obviously complying with united kingdom highway laws)

LSOfreak · 2nd December 2011, 02:38

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Originally Posted by dannygti

If your going to the effort of fitting it, which will requireyou to change pretty much everything that connects the engine an box to the car why not choose a better engine to start with??

Even c20let aren't mega money, rover 2.0turbo, Saab 2.0 turbo (would be very very good conversion), z20let, focus rs mk1 etc etc. There are loads out there that would require no more work to do

this ^^

why go through all that effort for a shit engine?
if your going down the custom route and want the challenge then do this
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...ghlight=c20let

tbh though, unless you prove me wrong in a year or so time, i think you are one of many who post up saying they are doing something 'a bit out there' and then never do

dannygti · 2nd December 2011, 02:39

Well my pug makes 250@wheels so know all about embarrassing jap stuff/pretty much most things.. Lots of fun that's for sure

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 02:44

Mate think what you want couldn't care less I'm asking advice on a forum full of Saxo enthusiasts as i said before iv seen the conversion on other cars and it has worked if I do do the conversion it's up to me.and if it's successfull I will post up for all to see if it's not then well.....I will probably be too embarrassed to post again but hay ho Christmas is nearly hear.

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 02:45

Ye my TB'd 6 was like that even embarrassed a noble upto 120 before.he certainly wasn't impressed.lol

danny-vts · 2nd December 2011, 02:53

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Originally Posted by LSOfreak

theres a yellow 106gti with a 2.0l gti-6 engine on here somewhere, it can be done...
anything can be done, theres a guy who has a 2.0litre turbo c20let engine in a 106gti on here

would be easier to just turbo a 16valve saxo engine though...

thats what i was going to do next year sometime, might have to look for a different engine now

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 02:56

Nice link but tbh NUR's 4x4 306 cosworth looked less of a hassle than that.lol

chinkostu · 2nd December 2011, 08:57

if youre going to the effort, put a better engine in. yes, sure its 150 right off the bat, but the time you'd spend fabricating everything you could go out, shove a 16v lump in and a few mods and have time to scratch your arse, not to mention it would be faster. the engine fits nicely into a 205 as they were (i think?) all XU engines anyway.

just doesnt make sense to go for an engine with an outdated design and shoehorn it in when you can do just as much effort to putting a gti-6 engine in (165ish bhp and16v) which will feel much faster and has a bigger following for modded parts!

its like putting a 1.9d engine into a saxo instead of say, a HDI lump. yes, its a whole 8 more hp than the 1.5 jobby, but it aint faster

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 09:30

I don't see how the 6 engine will go in with less hassle tho?surely it would be the same turnover if not worse?

Is the 6 lump that easy to "shove in"?lol

And technically aren't all our engines outdated.lol.

chinkostu · 2nd December 2011, 09:44

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Originally Posted by Tannerman

I don't see how the 6 engine will go in with less hassle tho?surely it would be the same turnover if not worse?

Is the 6 lump that easy to "shove in"?lol

And technically aren't all our engines outdated.lol.

think i worded it wrong. no, the effort you're going to for putting the inferior 2l engine in would be best spent on getting a gti6 engine in which is far superior.

edit: the TU range is STILL going btw

KamRacing · 2nd December 2011, 09:56

The engine is rubbish. It doesnt make great power, has a crap turbo and is not a straight fit.

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 10:01

there is 1 in a 306 in basingtoke that is pushing over 300bhp.lol.and a turbo is easily replaced. Y are they not a straight fit?

chinkostu · 2nd December 2011, 10:05

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Originally Posted by Tannerman

there is 1 in a 306 in basingtoke that is pushing over 300bhp.lol.and a turbo is easily replaced. Y are they not a straight fit?

you'd get the same for FAR less with a 16v 2l jobby. plus being a 306 means it just drops (near enough??) straight in

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 10:27

The 406 engine "near enough" drops straight in tho.

Well guys iv been speaking to a few tuners 1 has disregarded it completely but two have said it's an obvious conversion that for some reason just hasn't been done before. The only issues are that you need:
Custom mani
Turbo relocated
Custom driveshafts

And with pistons/conrods updated turbo intercooler and a map this engine can produce over 300bhp which would be for HALF THE PRICE of a turbo'd vts conversion.

Seems too good to be true surely????

I can feel the comebacks flying over already.lol

Saxovch22 · 2nd December 2011, 11:06

You forgot custom engine mounts and management which won't be cheap

LSOfreak · 2nd December 2011, 11:12

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Originally Posted by danny-vts

thats what i was going to do next year sometime, might have to look for a different engine now

do it mate!! the man that did it in that link hasnt been on since so not alot of people even know about his

PJN · 2nd December 2011, 11:22

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Originally Posted by LSOfreak

do it mate!! the man that did it in that link hasnt been on since so not alot of people even know about his

+1, would certainly be an interesting conversion!

Tannerman · 2nd December 2011, 12:10

Wouldn't need management system in the early stages.which is one of the bonuses but yes mounts aswell.

Think it's a go hopefully buying a xantia with the same engine in on Sunday then start the conversion after Xmas.

Will be interesting if it works.lol

KamRacing · 2nd December 2011, 12:19

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Originally Posted by Tannerman

The 406 engine "near enough" drops straight in tho.

Well guys iv been speaking to a few tuners 1 has disregarded it completely but two have said it's an obvious conversion that for some reason just hasn't been done before. The only issues are that you need:
Custom mani
Turbo relocated
Custom driveshafts

And with pistons/conrods updated turbo intercooler and a map this engine can produce over 300bhp which would be for HALF THE PRICE of a turbo'd vts conversion.

Seems too good to be true surely????

I can feel the comebacks flying over already.lol

just because someone got 300bhp does not make it a good engine. The fact is all these parts you mention basically replace all the engine. So whats the great selling point? I can take any engine and replace all the parts to make 300bhp. Its a weak engine, small turbo, internals known for going bang when cheaply tuned for big bhp. Look at how little people have spent on home built turbo saxos and the price is not that great.

KamRacing · 2nd December 2011, 12:22

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Originally Posted by Tannerman

Y are they not a straight fit?

You need different engine mounts, different driveshafts, custom parts to get everything into the enginebay. Then out the box its no better than a mildly tuned vts. If it was a good engine people would be modifying it. You do not see it fitted commonly to 306, 309 and 205 models which is a good sign to take note of. Its not a secret engine that no-one knows about...