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12th January 2012, 20:05
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Saxperience Hardcore!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Birtley
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Car(s): VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B
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The Dyno graph Thread - Post yours up!!
going on from the other week, here is the dyno thread post up your graphs and specs, doesnt have to be a saxo, just nice to see what ppl are getting with what mods, and good info for ppl looking at where to spend their money
ill start with mine, brief spec being 90bhp vtr engine, low compression on decomp plate, standard internals, turbo converted with t25 currently, running predator management, pretty tame ignition, if anyone's interested in a more detailed spec it's in my thread- link in sig
got 2 sets of graphs, first one was on 10 psi just after mapping, had issues with exhaust, injectors and fuel,
made 134 ATW, 165Lbft and 163bhp fly, think its around 15-20% transmission loss on this dyno,
next set was about 6 weeks later?, same dyno, same guy,
id put a new exhaust on, new injectors and got a remap @ around 15psi boost, had only just sorted an issue with induction/feed on the morning of the dyno
graph highlighted as i was suspecting, im still having fueling issues, pretty sure now is down to a combination of fuel pump and FPR becuase of other issues i sometimes get, but the car made :
218bhp fly and around 230lbft torque, cant find the wheel graph for this one, but was about 185ATW iirc?
NOW POST YOURS
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12th January 2012, 20:36
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Saxperience Forum Bum
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Midlands
Posts: 2,530
Car(s): AX 16v Turbo
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AX VTS 16v, Ph3 cams, 3.5 bar FPR, standard injectors, raceland mani, hydra nemesis ecu, straight through exhaust.
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12th January 2012, 20:39
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Saxperience Hardcore!
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Car(s): VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B
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was that an actual hub dyno as it sais? or was it measured at wheels?
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12th January 2012, 20:43
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
Posts: 7,779
Car(s): Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5
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Piper 270 cams
No remap
Raceland manifold
Some sort of gigantic cone filter
Decat
Piper exhaust
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12th January 2012, 20:44
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Down't road from Sheffield
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Car(s): Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5
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8v, Green cotton filter, 3" Pugsport, Raceland mani.
103.2bhp @ 5350RPM/~104ft/lb @ ~3300rpm
And here's why I always say a rolling road figure means nothing.
16v, 3" Pugsport, Raceland induction kit.
119.6bhp @ ~6300rpm/113ft/lb @ ~5100rpm
Then on another RR, exactly the same spec as above...
142.8bhp (that's all the info I can gather from the pic).
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Currently: '93 1.8 Eunos Roadster S Special. Does skids and err'ting.
Previously: '96 1.5D Peugeot 106 XLD..... '96 1.6 16v Peugeot 106 XS - 0-60: 6.6s & 1/4m: 14.95s @ 90.14mph
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12th January 2012, 20:50
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: EDINBURGH
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Car(s): BMW e36 328i sport
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Clio 182 standard on dastek rollers
After exhaust and remap
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Last edited by stupotvtr; 17th January 2012 at 17:58.
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12th January 2012, 20:56
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
Posts: 7,779
Car(s): Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5
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My old legacy B4
Hayward and Scott exhaust
Decat onnthe 2nd turbo
Spot the gap between the turbos!
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12th January 2012, 21:40
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Someones Bumhole
Posts: 5,721
Car(s): Mk2 16v Desire
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Saxo Vts
Catcam 743's (evo1 on rs graph)
Raceland 4-2-1
Straight through 2 1/2" centre pipe
Magnex rear box
Port & polished throttle body
Remapped
Rs tuning - Leeds - Dyno Dynamics - (Without P&P TB)
144.1 bhp
117.9 whp
18.39% T/loss
Northampton Motorsport - Northampton - Superflow (before & after P&P TB)
151 bhp
126.9 whp
15.961% T/loss
Revlimit is 7750 the last run on the NMS graph revved over for some reason but it didnt effect the power, if anyone can explain that id love to know!
Surrey Rolling Road - Surrey - Dyno Dynamics
141.3 bhp
115.6 whp
18.19% T/Loss
Last edited by Tom5190; 8th May 2012 at 21:11.
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12th January 2012, 21:59
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: dudley United Kingdom (England)
Posts: 6,789
Car(s): 106 gti/ SEAT LCR
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106 turbo
Td05 big 16g with 8cm2 exh housing
C2 inlet
At power throttle body
680cc injectors
Omex 600 etc etc
249@wheels and 210lb ft torque@wheels at 13psi
Seat leon cupra R
Scorpion cat back
Forge dump valve
Filter
Performance torque stage 1 re-map
262bhp@flywheel and 292lb ft@flywheel
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12th January 2012, 22:03
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 9,994
Car(s): Moonstone Blue 106 GTi
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Peugeot 106 quiksilver with a 1.1 engine and an induction kit
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12th January 2012, 22:31
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Saxperience Forum Bum
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Lancs
Posts: 4,124
Car(s): JP4S'd R.
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forced induction* lol.
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12th January 2012, 22:38
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 9,100
Car(s): Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
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Quote:
Originally Posted by titchster
8v, Green cotton filter, 3" Pugsport, Raceland mani.
103.2bhp @ 5350RPM/~104ft/lb @ ~3300rpm
And here's why I always say a rolling road figure means nothing.
16v, 3" Pugsport, Raceland induction kit.
119.6bhp @ ~6300rpm/113ft/lb @ ~5100rpm
Then on another RR, exactly the same spec as above...
142.8bhp (that's all the info I can gather from the pic).
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What spec engine was that 8v?
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12th January 2012, 23:49
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Frequent Poster
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: scottish borders
Posts: 529
Car(s): white vts
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supersprint manifold
btb exhaust
catcams 708
kevlar procomp induction kit
un mapped
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12th January 2012, 23:55
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Saxperience Forum Bum
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Down't road from Sheffield
Posts: 4,641
Car(s): Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandi699
What spec engine was that 8v?
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2001, 98bhp.
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Form and/or Funtion - A blog in association with CombustionPunks.
Currently: '93 1.8 Eunos Roadster S Special. Does skids and err'ting.
Previously: '96 1.5D Peugeot 106 XLD..... '96 1.6 16v Peugeot 106 XS - 0-60: 6.6s & 1/4m: 14.95s @ 90.14mph
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12th January 2012, 23:55
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Regular Poster
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Pickering
Posts: 303
Car(s): 129.05bhp mk2 Silver VTS
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...99437247_n.jpg
my vts spec in signature below
this was before i fitted saxsport and big filter for raceland
plus ther was no fan in front of car
will take it again soon
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MK2 Silver VTS -- 129.05bhp -- Stripped -- Raceland 4-2-1 -- 2" Saxsport race system-- Raceland Induction with big filter -- lowered 60mm -- Adjustable front Spax PSX shocks -- G-Maxx rear dampers -- 16'' satin black OZ supertourismo's -- Raid HP strut brace -- powerflex lower mount -- kamracing linkages -- OMP Buckets and Harnesses -- 4300k HID's -- 266mm XSI brakes -- 15.16 1/4 MILE!
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13th January 2012, 00:24
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Saxperience Hardcore!
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Aycliffe
Posts: 32,205
Car(s): Saxo VTS
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Saxo VTS 51
Standard - Running on 99RON.
Maha Rollers
136.9 hp (Fly - bullshit), 98.9 hp (Wheels), 108.6 lbft Torque.
Same car, same rollers
Differences are...
Raceland Mani, (a slightly leaky) Magnex centre section, Magnex backbox...
137.4 hp (Fly - still bullshit), 104.1 hp (Wheels), 114.6 lbft Torque.
So a raceland mani and a magnex cat back will give a VTS an extra 5 hp over standard.
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13th January 2012, 00:45
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Saxperience Forum Bum
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Down't road from Sheffield
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Car(s): Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5
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38bhp transmission losses on the first run, and 33bhp on the second run? They're some pretty big losses for a FWD!
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Form and/or Funtion - A blog in association with CombustionPunks.
Currently: '93 1.8 Eunos Roadster S Special. Does skids and err'ting.
Previously: '96 1.5D Peugeot 106 XLD..... '96 1.6 16v Peugeot 106 XS - 0-60: 6.6s & 1/4m: 14.95s @ 90.14mph
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13th January 2012, 02:30
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Saxperience Addict
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Sunderland
Posts: 10,340
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Only ones I have:
My old 172 that I owned last summer, made 180bhp and 162lb/ft Torque:
Mods:
Clio V6 Airbox
ITG Filter
JMS Matched Inlet Manifold
Ktec 2.5" Exhaust
Ktec Decat
RS Tuning Remap
God I really shouldn't have sold that car
My Mk2 VTR made 111bhp and 120lb/ft Torque:
Mods:
Piper 4-1 Manifold
Piper Decat exhaust
BMC CDA Air filter
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13th January 2012, 03:29
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Saxperience Hardcore!
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Aycliffe
Posts: 32,205
Car(s): Saxo VTS
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Quote:
Originally Posted by titchster
38bhp transmission losses on the first run, and 33bhp on the second run? They're some pretty big losses for a FWD!
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Exactly. tbh I only pay attention to the wheel figs these days.
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15th January 2012, 16:41
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Newbie
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Plymouth
Posts: 20
Car(s): Currant Car 1998 Saxo VTS
Owned alot of cars From
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This is my 1998 vts with Magnex twin box system & in-closed induction kit, was well happy. Now iv fitted a Janspeed 4-1 manifold (still has a cat) & superchips chip, will get it on the rollers soon to see the gains.
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