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20th May 2011, 22:01
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Caliper upgrade for Saxo VTR - standard discs
Today I bled the brakes on my MK2 VTR, as they had been feeling very spongy and thought that this was the best course of action to try and fix the problem. After bleeding them I noticed very little difference and was wonderig if upgrading to larger calipers may be a good idea (and a good project) 
I am looking to upgrade the calipers (and pads) to the standard ones from a larger car, but don't want to change the discs aswell as they are in good condition.
I had heard that 306 GTI calipers bolted straight on but required some kind of spacers, but was wondering what would be the easiest upgrade to do. I'm not really fussed about upgrading them to be 'track worthy' (i.e. 406 brembo's etc) but just suitable for fast road use. I am also running on standard VTR wheels.
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20th May 2011, 22:12
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no spacers required for the 306 gti6 ones mate, bolt straight on
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20th May 2011, 22:14
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if you want to run bigger calipers, then you are going to have to run bigger discs. Got 266mm and 283mm set ups for sale here, neither require any mods to fit a Vtr
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20th May 2011, 22:15
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266mm brakes are biggest you can fit under 14s
Gti6 ones are bigger so wont fit under your wheels bud
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20th May 2011, 22:16
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^+1, you'll need larger wheels for 283s
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20th May 2011, 22:29
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Originally Posted by mandyslover70
^+1, you'll need larger wheels for 283s
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And considerably heavier than 266's I read? So on a VTR, you would notice a slight difference in acceleration?
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20th May 2011, 22:41
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very much heavier lol, not much need for an up-grade on a VTR, properly set up 247s with quality pads etc are fine for fast road use.
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20th May 2011, 22:42
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if the OP is unhappy with his standard brakes, try adjusting the brake linkage bar behind the inlet manifold as a little free play here can make the brakes feel spongy and unresponsive as well
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20th May 2011, 23:37
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Quote:
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very much heavier lol, not much need for an up-grade on a VTR, properly set up 247s with quality pads etc are fine for fast road use.
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+1, the pads i had before were lethal, stopped on a dime. Had to get cheap budgets though as i wore them low and was strapped 
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20th May 2011, 23:59
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I'd fit some EBC yellowstuff pads and adjust the brake bar on the bulkhead.
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21st May 2011, 00:19
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Cheers guys, I'll definately look into the brake linkage bar first. Is that an easy job?
Also how much would 266mm discs and calipers for the front set me back?
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21st May 2011, 00:36
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easily iunder £100
ive got brembos, dont know what id do without them now tbh
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21st May 2011, 00:42
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Adjusting the brake bar is dead easy mate - see here. Definitely give it a go before you start upgrading parts.
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6th July 2011, 12:54
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Brake bar seems fine :-/
I looked at the brake bar, and there seems to be no play in it atm. I am thinking that I may just try and change the pads, but which ones would be best? (Do Mintex's fit alright). Also was considering a set of braided brake hoses as I can get them for around £20 
Opinions welcome ...
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6th July 2011, 20:16
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You can change the calipers for the newer Pug/Cit ones and stay on 247mm discs.
But don't. There's no benefit to be had except looking a little better than standard and whatever you get from a bleed and fresh fluid.
I really rated mintex pads when I was running VT* brakes. Used them on the two sets of brakes I've been through since and still yet to be disappointed.
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18th July 2011, 16:38
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Ok thanks. Are the mintex pads a straight swap in the standard calipers then?
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18th July 2011, 18:19
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Yeah they make them in Saxo (and pretty much every) fitment.
They're good for the road, but they will fade if you're planning on becoming a track demon.
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18th July 2011, 19:52
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Green stuff seem very good too. If you are going around the country lanes with this stuff (Harsh breaking), expect to get break pedal fade, before break fade. Quite scary approaching a STOP junction at 80 and hardly slowing down.
The Green stuff need warming up tbh. You need to approach a junction and slowly apply the breaks to warm the pads up. From there on, they seem nice and sharp.
On another hand, i've herd bad reviews about this pads not lasting more then 1 tack day (Although not designed for track) and the actually friction compound breaks away from the backing of the pad.
Mintex are supposed to be good. Don't buy cheap £5 pads though :@
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