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30th November 2011, 21:30
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No Compression (all cylinders)
First of all I just want to say thank you to all that have helped me already with the searches I have already done on this site.
Car is a W reg (2000) 1.6 vtr with no engine mods at all.
The car will not start and when turned over sounds strange and few people with some knowledge said it sounded like there was no compression.
Anyway, me and dad have checked the timing (with help from this site) and all seems well there, also adjusted the tappets to correct clearances. We then carried out a compression test and got zero on all cylinders...
What could this mean?
Any help will be appreciated (apologies if i've missed anything, first post and all that).
Thanks.
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30th November 2011, 21:31
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is this after a rebuild?
your building a turbo arent you?
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30th November 2011, 21:33
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How has this happened? Did it occur when driving or have after replacing/rebuilding etc..
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30th November 2011, 21:35
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No, no turbo and no rebuild.
It went into a garage for a clutch change and came out dead... Obviously no relation to clutch and this issue, so cant point fingers at the garage... Unless you guys can tell me otherwise?
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30th November 2011, 21:36
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sounds like cam belt has slipped or snapped
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30th November 2011, 21:40
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Cam belt was first thought, but the timing seems to all in the right place (bolt through cam into head and allen key through head into flywheel)?
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30th November 2011, 21:41
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You sure you carried out the compression test properly? seems very strange. So when you turn it over the cam and crank move as they should?
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30th November 2011, 21:42
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would it not start after the clutch was replaced?
are you sure the compression tester isnt fucked or not been done properly.. and its just a damaged crank sensor or earth from replacing the clutch causing it not to start?
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30th November 2011, 21:42
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block to flywheel i meant. This is stretching my basic knowledge btw, I'm not going to pretend I'm a mechanic 
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30th November 2011, 21:45
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Yes, crank and cam move as they should.
Nope, hasnt started since clutch change. Apparently crank sensor was changed in a bid to get it started, but no joy (the plastic surround around the sensor looks new, so I believe this to be true).
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30th November 2011, 21:50
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Id say test the compression tester on a known good engine before progressing.
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30th November 2011, 21:52
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Ive had loss of compression twice. The first was when id bent 8 valve's and the second time was when i snapped the timing belt which also bent the valves. To my knowledge, If you lose compression it's usually a bit fucked.
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30th November 2011, 21:57
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tbh it sounds like the garage has done/not done something
as said test the compression tester first then report back
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30th November 2011, 21:59
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Ok, dont flame me if this was a stupid idea, but to test that the compression tester wasnt totally dead, we stuck a bicycle pump with an adapter in the hose and we got a reading. I assume a (working) engine would give more pressure than a bike pump. It didnt even flicker on the engine. Its the screw in the s plug hole type btw.
K17NEY - What caused 8 bent valves the 1st time round for you?
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30th November 2011, 22:48
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Ok, dont flame me if this was a stupid idea, but to test that the compression tester wasnt totally dead, we stuck a bicycle pump with an adapter in the hose and we got a reading. I assume a (working) engine would give more pressure than a bike pump. It didnt even flicker on the engine. Its the screw in the s plug hole type btw.
K17NEY - What caused 8 bent valves the 1st time round for you?
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Doing 125mph in 4th and putting it back in 3rd.
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30th November 2011, 23:09
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Ouch...
I'll have a further look this weekend and let you all know what I find.
If anyone has anymore ideas, please post here.
Thanks for your help so far.
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30th November 2011, 23:25
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sounds like the garage has done something mate,replacing a clutch + non start + no compression on all x4 cylinder's = a big coincidence.
If i was you i would check the tensioner visually and time the engine up correctly checking both the cam and crank are in correct position's.
Where are you based mate? if it hasd no compression it turn's over very quickly.
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1st December 2011, 01:54
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When you turn it over by hand, can you feel the compression? or does it just turn easily over and over with no resistance
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1st December 2011, 09:51
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compression is just everything sealing - rings at the bottom end, valves at the top. With no compression on any cylinder, it's highly unlikely to be the rings on all cylinders, which should point you to the valves. For them all to fail at the same time, I'd be looking at the cam holding the valves open when it shouldn't be, or the valves being warped to the point where they can't seal. That can really only be cambelt or timing.
Playing devils advocate, is it possible the garage did a road test after fitting the clutch, and it died on the road test? How did they explain they were giving the car back as a non-runner??
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1st December 2011, 21:37
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Join Date: Dec 2011
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Car(s): 2000 Citroen Saxo 1.1L
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hey, the thing that came to me after reading all the above, is some kind of 'gasket' or seal that may have worn and has began to leak oil, coolant (water/antifreeze) or even fuel into the combustion chamber flooding it and you cant compress liquids. check your coolant bottle is it oily ? head off ...
has it got any maintenance history ? how many miles it done ?
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