Alex Salmond - Saxperience

Gabbastard · 11th January 2012, 22:14

Im not really into discussing politics, and its frowned upon in GC so...

Alex Salmond= Fud.

Discuss.

Barry123 · 11th January 2012, 22:20

FUD?

Are the Scottish really that keen for independence...?

EDIT: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt?

DundeeUnited · 11th January 2012, 22:23

how is he? he wants an independent scotland, which i think would make this country even more of a failure than it already is, as patriotic as id like to be, scotland would be minute in every sense if it was independent. i dont like david cameron either though, he is puppet who tries to cover himself up with clever old hypocrisy.

Gabbastard · 11th January 2012, 22:23

Fud, a fanny. In this case a short-sighted, rhetoric-filled, "ill be there if theres a free pie in it for me" fanny.

Im not sure if the Scottish are keen for it, the problem is that so many people are so stupid/uninformed/easily led, theyll buy into the 2014 propaganda that will no doubt revolve around Bannockburn and our "whisky and oil industries". Quite frankly, it frightens the fuck out of me.

Sophia_Bush · 11th January 2012, 22:24

genuine question to you Scottish members do you want it or do you not?

Gabbastard · 11th January 2012, 22:24

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Originally Posted by DundeeUnited

how is he? .

You answered your own question IMO.

DundeeUnited · 11th January 2012, 22:25

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Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

genuine question to you Scottish members do you want it or do you not?

no /thread

Barry123 · 11th January 2012, 22:37

To me as an unpatriotic 'english' person (I guess - although I'd always class myself as British), if Scotland wants to go their own way then groovy. But economically I can't see how it will be viable, unless there are sssssserious cuts on the various subsidies. I don't know the figures but I'd be amazed if the financial hub of Edinburgh and the North Sea Oil could support an independent Scotland - It really could realistically wind up like Greece. I'm of the impression that the UK can't live without Scotland and Scotland can't live without UK, breaking away just repairs the battered egos of those who feel they are run by the English/UK at the cost of royally screwing the entire country... all just for pride.

Fair play to Salmond though, he comes across as knowing his stuff and on the ball with rebukes - I'm just not sure if he's too proud to realise he'd be screwing up his country

Gabbastard · 11th January 2012, 22:42

You really think Scotland would get to keep the oil? No chance.

Independence would mean renegotiation of everything including waters. And say we do get to keep the north east. Who's going to stop any other country fishing in it, or russian oil rigs coming in to setup? We'd have no armed forces. Maybe we could stand on the shore and throw stones at them.

He seems to be ignoring the fact the money being spent on things like the free dental care, free prescriptions, free eyetests needs to be recouped somehow, and damned sure it isnt all coming from Scottish taxes.

DundeeUnited · 11th January 2012, 22:44

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Originally Posted by Barry123

I'm just not sure if he's too proud to realise he'd be screwing up his country

this is exactly why i wouldnt want it, it would be complete anticlimax in every sense, it would start off great, then there would be a huge demise in the people, oil, economy and reputation. If i thought it would be sustainable then fine, but what are we trying to prove, and what will we gain from being independence, i mean seriously, pride? when it comes to countries everyone will class themselves with their own, if your welsh you wont say im from the united kingdom, because thats what it is, a kingdom, and it will only remain a kingdom if all countries unite and act as one, and if i was wales, england, or northern ireland, id be pretty pissed at scotland for trying to breach it.

Zander123 · 11th January 2012, 22:46

Im Scottish and think its a bad idea . And Salmon is a tosser who would go to the openning of a paper bag if he would get a free meal out off it

Barry123 · 11th January 2012, 22:46

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Originally Posted by Gabbastard

You really think Scotland would get to keep the oil? No chance.

Independence would mean renegotiation of everything including waters. And say we do get to keep the north east. Who's going to stop any other country fishing in it, or russian oil rigs coming in to setup? We'd have no armed forces. Maybe we could stand on the shore and throw stones at them.

He seems to be ignoring the fact the money being spent on things like the free dental care, free prescriptions, free eyetests needs to be recouped somehow, and damned sure it isnt all coming from Scottish taxes.

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Originally Posted by DundeeUnited

this is exactly why i wouldnt want it, it would be complete anticlimax in every sense, it would start off great, then there would be a huge demise in the people, oil, economy and reputation. If i thought it would be sustainable then fine, but what are we trying to prove, and what will we gain from being independence, i mean seriously, pride? when it comes to countries everyone will class themselves with their own, if your welsh you wont say im from the united kingdom, because thats what it is, a kingdom, and it will only remain a kingdom if all countries unite and act as one, and if i was wales, england, or northern ireland, id be pretty pissed at scotland for trying to breach it.

Is this a common view amongst the Scottish???
Based on the media I thought it was pretty much 90% wanted out of the UK.

Gabbastard · 11th January 2012, 22:48

like I say, so many will get caught up in the patriotism and idea of independence but so few actually realise the implications - economically and otherwise - that independence presents.

Everyone I know wishes the pressing for independence would fuck off.

DundeeUnited · 11th January 2012, 22:49

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Originally Posted by Barry123

Is this a common view amongst the Scottish???
Based on the media I thought it was pretty much 90% wanted out of the UK.

lol fuck that, maybe all of the SNP do, but not me, Salmond is trying to make a global statement, but it will inevitably fail, the current financial climate will wreck an independent scotland, its written in black at white, look at ireland, greece. then what are we gonna do when this happens, beg to get back in the uk, its a dream and thats all it is

stupotvtr · 11th January 2012, 22:56

Independence would be great if it worked as well as salmond is selling it but it won't so probs best to stay part of the uk.

martinmac · 11th January 2012, 23:17

I want independence. Not here to argue with any Unionists either.

Another thing i fail to understand is, to the people who are sooo anti-Salmond or anti-SNP,

Which party would you rather led this country?

DundeeUnited · 11th January 2012, 23:20

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Originally Posted by martinmac

I want independence. Not here to argue with any Unionists either.

Another thing i fail to understand is, to the people who are sooo anti-Salmond or anti-SNP,

Which party would you rather led this country?

i have nothing against salmond, its about time we had someone with common sense, but thats the thing, i dont want to be led as a country, ad rather be led by a nationwide government, back up why you think it would be good to be independent, not being a dick just want to know?

stupotvtr · 11th January 2012, 23:28

I think Alex salmond as a person is quite a funny guy when you hear things he says in parliament. Lots of witty banter maybe no exactly what you want for a first minister though lol.

vtr02 · 11th January 2012, 23:30

IMHO i believe if scotland want to leave britain then so be it, Sure it may have an affect on the english economy but if scotland believe that they can do there own fiscal/armed sources/passport then they are crazy, SNP know this hence why they want a third option in the ref such as yes no more powers moved over.

I'm english don't class myself as british to be honest just my views though

martinmac · 11th January 2012, 23:31

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Originally Posted by DundeeUnited

i have nothing against salmond, its about time we had someone with common sense, but thats the thing, i dont want to be led as a country, ad rather be led by a nationwide government, back up why you think it would be good to be independent, not being a dick just want to know?

I want independence on the basis that i would like Scotland to be recognised as a nation in its own right. Its just something i would like to witness in my lifetime tbh. I cba getting into any depth, just thought i'd voice my opinion.

I agree with the uncertainties and possible economic problems that may arise, however with proper leadership i am sure Scotland could manage just fine.

Also i'm sure Cameron and his lapdog are sh*tting themselves at the prospect of losing us and that makes me happy