Coilcovers - Saxperience

Yates · 2nd September 2006, 12:04

Just thinking out loud really, im hoping to get a 106 gti/vts sometime next year when i have the money, id like to take it on track, dont know much information on coilcovers, pretty sure they are better than just a uprated suspension kit. so

how much am i looking at?

What makes are decent? and makes i should steer clear of?

any if theres any more information you can give me that would be grand

bullit · 2nd September 2006, 12:49

the only ones i know of are pugsport.
research from ssc as interested myself -proflex, ohlins, sachs, reiger, penske, bilstein Pss.
saxosex runs ohlins so you could pm him but there prob gonna be a ridiculous amount. Taz on there sells a coilover conversion aswell
ill tackle this question in the future when i redo my set-up, but something like what camp davids running is gonna really do the job even though you can go stiffer

Chris_VTS · 2nd September 2006, 13:10

eibach coilovers mate, they are expensive like mate, over £500, but sometimes coilovers dont offer a massive ride height drop.

Scott^p · 2nd September 2006, 13:51

if hes looking for a track car and handling then a massive drop doesnt figure into the equation.

Personally i wouldnt bother i dont beleive the adjustability of coilovers is genuinely worth it unless your competing on different surfaces etc...

Custom springs and bilstein shocks, 25mm arb at the back and thats a very very good starting point

Yates · 2nd September 2006, 14:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott

if hes looking for a track car and handling then a massive drop doesnt figure into the equation.

Personally i wouldnt bother i dont beleive the adjustability of coilovers is genuinely worth it unless your competing on different surfaces etc...

Custom springs and bilstein shocks, 25mm arb at the back and thats a very very good starting point

how much am i looking at for these scott?

and where from?

id still want to be 50mm down tho, would that cause problems?

cheers for the help

Sean · 2nd September 2006, 15:06

pug sport boutique for arb and torsion bars, gmc for bilstien grp n's
faulkners for uprated springs, you choose the length and stiffness.

Yates · 2nd September 2006, 17:40

really dont know what im looking at there Sean!

Can i get away with the standard torsion bar? and just get uprated shocks at the back?

dont want the ride to be too harsh mind

bullit · 2nd September 2006, 18:46

you can. you can add a rear torsion or arb at a later date.
the site seans mentioned is obviously french but they sell there t bars and arb's a fair bit cheaper so some order from there

Sean · 2nd September 2006, 18:52

and you can click on the english language option (on the pug sport boutique site)

you can use the standard torsion bars but if you go for a higher spring rate at the front and leave the rear standard then it can negatively effect the handling ( simo had a thread somewhere about this not that long ago). remember uprated rear shocks wont affect the rear stiffness.

i'd go for bilstien group N's from gmc coupled with 180lb faulkner's springs, plus 25mm anti roll bar at the rear, then you can start thinking about thicker torsion bars later on.

Yates · 2nd September 2006, 21:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanvtr81

and you can click on the english language option (on the pug sport boutique site)

you can use the standard torsion bars but if you go for a higher spring rate at the front and leave the rear standard then it can negatively effect the handling ( simo had a thread somewhere about this not that long ago). remember uprated rear shocks wont affect the rear stiffness.

i'd go for bilstien group N's from gmc coupled with 180lb faulkner's springs, plus 25mm anti roll bar at the rear, then you can start thinking about thicker torsion bars later on.

i clicked english part mate, still didnt know what i was looking at!

do you know how much it will cost me for the set up you have described? sorry just have no idea about all this

Sean · 2nd September 2006, 21:32

sorry mate not sure on the prices apart from the parts listed on the gmc website. maybe worth pm'img campdavid as i think that could be or is near enough the set up he's running

Yates · 2nd September 2006, 21:34

ok cheers for the help mate, id give you rep, but i have to spread more love first

Andyt · 3rd September 2006, 00:10

There's an FAQ on the ssc web site i think.

LINK

Have a gander at that if you haven't already mate.

CampDavid · 4th September 2006, 09:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott

if hes looking for a track car and handling then a massive drop doesnt figure into the equation.

Personally i wouldnt bother i dont beleive the adjustability of coilovers is genuinely worth it unless your competing on different surfaces etc...

Custom springs and bilstein shocks, 25mm arb at the back and thats a very very good starting point

Pretty much sums it up, torsion bars are great, but at 400quid not cheap and won't get into udget here. A nice set of billi sports will, I'd keep an eye out for a lightly used set as they are about 450 all in when new. Koni yellows are also supposed to be very good for the back and they can be found very cheaply. Custom springs are superb, I run 200lb efforts which I think are near perfect, though 180lb will match to the billi sports/grp Ns better. 25mm ARB is a must IMO, really stiffens up the rear end a treat. However if I were to do mine again I'd rather buy a 24mm off a 106gti/rallye from a scrappy as they must be only worth about 35quid. Good mod that and cheap and easy to do, I'm supprised more people haven't tried it.

Antother thing to upgrade is all the bushes, this makes a big difference in tightening it all up and improves turn in

Andyt · 5th September 2006, 18:47

Upgrading the bushes, is that not a total pain in the arse job to do?

Yates · 5th September 2006, 20:36

Right the way ive read it, i have different front shocks to rear, is that right? Could i not just buy a Billi sports or koni full suspension kit?

Im sorry im just not clued up on this side of things yet...

Front

billi sports
Custom springs - 180lbs

So im looking at these, Billi sports, im taking it they are front shocks, do you just get 2 front shocks where you buy them?

Where can i get custom springs from? im wanting to be down 50mm, so do i ask for some 180lbs 50mm custom springs?

Back

Koni yellows
24mm ARB - GTI/Rallye

Koni the back shocks? Can i buy just a set of back shocks? Where can i get them? Not really sure what the ARB is? Im guessing Anti Roll Bar? What does these look like? If i go to a scrap yard and get one, can i fit it straight away with out the above? as if i came across one id just buy it, how come they are different to the vts ARB? Thought they were the same all around?

Rep has been given out to those who have helped cheers and sorry again!

bullit · 5th September 2006, 23:08

you can buy the billie sports/sprints shocks singley so you dont have to buy the springs in the kit. you cant buy the shortened gmc ones on their own.
billies and konis are quite similar but id just buy the one kit, think camps thinking of cheaper options.
spring from HnR or faulkner as said but you gotta decide on which kit your gonna go for as the gmcs shocks are shorter than sprints and sports. im not sure either if 180 pound springs on standard sport shocks are too stiff aswell, you may need more uprated shocks to go with them. sprints/gmcs

rear- arb as said anti roll bar, looks like a steel rod. im pretty sure it was only the rallye that had the thicker bar, probably as it was more sportier

so first decide on your exact shocks you want to know what springs you want.(stiffer obviously better for track) was a thread as said on ssc with all the spring codes on.

im gonna throw a question in aswell.- are sprints and the gmc's shortened dampers the same but the length is just different?

and camp is there advantages to why your sports are revalved compared to sprints.or is it just to run the stiffer springs? cheers

Yates · 6th September 2006, 08:18

so could i get...

koni yellow full suspension kit
custom springs
24mm ARB

and that would be a really good set up?

Yates · 6th September 2006, 08:37

Suspension.

SPECIAL OFFER

Due to bulk buying we can make this special offer.

Full suspension kits, consisting of a pair of our lowering springs, shortened Bilstien front group N rally inserts & rear units - £359

NOTE, THE FRONT SHOCKERS WE SUPPLY ARE NOT THE SAME THAT MOST PEOPLE SUPPLY, THEY SUPPLY pEUGEOT 106 BILSTIEN FRONTS, THESE ARE NOT SHORTENED, NOT ARE THEY UPRATED AS MUCH, THIS IS WHY YOU CAN FIND WHAT YOU THINK IS THE SAME BUT CHEAPER, ELESWHERE.

Bilstein Sprintline Rally Front Shock Absorber, the are actaully AX group N shortened units and the best about anywhere (AX, SAxo/106) - £220 pair

Bilstein Rear Shock Absorbers (Saxo/106) - £ 130 pair

Got this from gmc, so would i be ok buying the kit for 359?

I just want a good set up and for it to handle really well

they also have 50mm gmc lowering springs, would they be ok or would you still recommend the custom springs?

i intend on doing track days when i can, but i will be in the navy so may not be back all too often, im guessing that they will be ok for me?

then i will try and find more information on the ARB, try find out if GTI and Rallye have the same one, then i can get that and get it fitted, if i go to a scrappy can i tell if the ARB is fucked or not? not sure what they look like and if you can fuck them

CampDavid · 6th September 2006, 08:45

Bullet - Bang on, my billis are revalved to run a little bit heavier on the spring front. Normal bill sports are set to run with 21mm rear bars and 180lb springs, I am on 200lb springs and 22mm bars

yate5y - The kit is a good deal but I've only heard bad things on the GMC spring front. That said I would still buy the kit and then flog the springs to someone who just wants to lower there car on here. SHould get 50quid for the springs? Add another 50 to that and a set of H&Rs or faulkners will be yours