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9th April 2007, 14:11
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L-plater
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: sunny doncaster
Posts: 33
Car(s): focus 1.8 zetec
saxo vts
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which cams?
hi, what cams do u recommend if money is no object. its only bein used for road use but i do quite alot ov 0-60 races, which ones are best for quick starts, not so botherd about top end.
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9th April 2007, 16:40
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Saxperience Hardcore!
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: e-hollywood
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Car(s): toyata hilux
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popular ones now are catcams and newmans cams
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9th April 2007, 20:09
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Saxperience Forum Bum
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Ashford kent
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Car(s): PoP! bAnG! pOp! BaNg!
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i'd go for catcams personally
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9th April 2007, 20:33
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Saxperience Post Whore
Join Date: Mar 2007
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What's the difference? I'm using catcams, no idea about Newmans...
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9th April 2007, 21:13
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Derby
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Car(s): Pug 207
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Newman PH1  , power range of 1.5k to 5.5k.
This along with a catcam vernier pulley should be going in mine very soon :d
ManC
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9th April 2007, 22:10
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also, it would help if you said what saxo you had.
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10th April 2007, 08:12
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ManC
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10th April 2007, 22:41
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L-plater
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: sunny doncaster
Posts: 33
Car(s): focus 1.8 zetec
saxo vts
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ive got a 03 plate vts, so there the best ya can buy? what should i expect with a custom exuast with decat, supersprint 4-2-1 man, cams and a remap? and would i need a new ecu?
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11th April 2007, 14:18
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Saxperience Post Whore
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The term 're-map' is loosely used in the sense of mapping a stock ECU. It all depends what you want to do in the long run. If you are going to stop after what you have mentioned, then there's nothing wrong with having your stock ECU re-mapped. You're looking at about £400+ BTW... If you were considering installing throttle bodies at a later date, then it would be prudent to purchase a stand-alone ECU, such as an OMEX.
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Originally Posted by FinchysSaxo
Some say hes the biggest drug dealer in Toadville!
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Originally Posted by sax-oli
and that his dealings even stretch as far as Brazil!
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Originally Posted by Colin
All we know is that he's called the Toad!
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11th April 2007, 16:52
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L-plater
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: sunny doncaster
Posts: 33
Car(s): focus 1.8 zetec
saxo vts
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well im planing on doin as much as i can with it apart from going turbo, how much are these standalone ecu,s?
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11th April 2007, 17:00
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Saxperience Post Whore
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Expensive. You have to sort out the loom too, so costs rise I'm afraid. The ECU on its own, if you go for the 600 series (recommended!) of the OMEX, it'll set you back around £550 - £600. Then there's the loom, (probably around £150) and then you need it mapped on the rollers. (£350 roughly)
As you can see, this is a lot of money. When people talk about going with throttle bodies, the engine management is half the cost! So it's up to you at the end of the day. If you want to save a lot of money, do everything at once. The more sessions you break your upgrading into, the more costly it will become. Hope this helps...
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Originally Posted by FinchysSaxo
Some say hes the biggest drug dealer in Toadville!
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Originally Posted by sax-oli
and that his dealings even stretch as far as Brazil!
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Originally Posted by Colin
All we know is that he's called the Toad!
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11th April 2007, 18:57
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Saxperience Addict
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: A farm shed in Aylesbury
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Car(s): Corolla AE86
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i think you are asking the wrong questions about what cam you require. You will not get a cam for 0-60 runs or top end as you have to look into the cam profile in more detail. Your cam choice is based on your rev range. You can go for a performance cam that adds loads of power to the midrange, which will give a broad power range enabling fast exit out of all corners, more power on tap at slower speeds etc
or you can get a cam that pushes the power up the rev range which is more suited for driving flat out such as circuit racing, though it is more easy to come off cam.
If you are going to turbo at a later date then a high lift cam isnt what you are after and you would be better off spending the money on the turbo conversion, but a mildly uprated cam may be ok.
Pick a brand and tell them what the car is going to be used for and get their recommendation.
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11th April 2007, 20:10
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L-plater
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: sunny doncaster
Posts: 33
Car(s): focus 1.8 zetec
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well i plan on doin everything i can to topspec, not going turbo, how much r these standalone ecus? n whats best ?
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11th April 2007, 20:10
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L-plater
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: sunny doncaster
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Car(s): focus 1.8 zetec
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dint mean to send that
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11th April 2007, 20:11
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Saxperience Hardcore!
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Car(s): toyata hilux
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around 700 then mapping on top. kms is popular at the mo. need it though to run tbs
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11th April 2007, 20:13
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L-plater
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: sunny doncaster
Posts: 33
Car(s): focus 1.8 zetec
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i wont be going turbo, god thats alot ov money, so if i dnt get throttlebodies i dont need to get a new ecu?
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11th April 2007, 20:15
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Saxperience Hardcore!
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Car(s): toyata hilux
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no. after cams it gets very expensive
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11th April 2007, 20:33
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L-plater
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: sunny doncaster
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Car(s): focus 1.8 zetec
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is it worth spending, which i probably will, i have alot to spend anyway n i want top notch stuff, can u list everything i can get without turbos to increase power, im not to good on cars at min
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11th April 2007, 20:42
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Saxperience Hardcore!
Join Date: Dec 2005
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first you need to know what your realistic budget is. then you and we can help decide what to put it towards. you wanna be looking to build an engine in one go if going serious na route. will save money in long run
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11th April 2007, 20:47
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L-plater
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: sunny doncaster
Posts: 33
Car(s): focus 1.8 zetec
saxo vts
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well im getting a viper ind(not fully sure yet) custom exuast with decat, thats around 300 quid. supersprint man, then from there ill get the rest in one go, i plan on plowin lotsa money into it so im just pikin ya brains to find whats best so i can get a rough idea of how much i need, no set budget reali, will just be saving n buyin lol
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