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24th May 2007, 20:25
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advantage of vts box on 1.4
What would be the advantage of using a vts box on my 1.4, would there be noticeable better acceleration?
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24th May 2007, 21:30
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If you tell me what the rev limiter on the 1.4 is and what diameter your tyres are ill work out the speeds in each gear for both boxes for you! There should be a slight increase in acceleration... not sure how noticeable it would be though
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24th May 2007, 21:40
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I'm giving it a good guess that the limiter is 6250 like the 1.1's and VTR's.
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24th May 2007, 22:05
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1.4box @6250rpm 56cm diameter tyres (guess)
1st 29.9mph
2nd 55.8mph
3rd 85.3mph
4th 106.1mph
5th 142.0mph
VTS box @ 6250rpm 56cm diameter tyres (guess)
1st 30.0mph
2nd 53.4mph
3rd 76.5mph
4th 99.1mph
5th 122.5mph
It should accelerate a bit harder… not by loads though don’t know how noticeable it would be… will pull harder most noticeably in 3rd and 5th thought it wont be as good for cruising on the motorway – shouldn’t be too bad though
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24th May 2007, 22:20
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Whats that compared with a 1.1 box? Is the 1.1 shorter than the 1.4? I think it was a bit. Similra to a VTR apart from final drive.
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24th May 2007, 22:42
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1.1box @ 6250rpm (56cm diameter tyres)
1st 28.1mph
2nd 53.1mph
3rd 75.3mph
4th 93.6mph
5th 125.2mph
Slightly shorter ratios in 1st and 2nd for the 1.1 but a bigger final drive- 4.268 for the 1.1 and 3.765 for the 1.4
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24th May 2007, 22:51
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so it better to have a 1.4 gearbox then??
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24th May 2007, 22:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Global_discovery
Whats that compared with a 1.1 box? Is the 1.1 shorter than the 1.4? I think it was a bit. Similra to a VTR apart from final drive.
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1.1 box doesnt have sports ratios, is not a good box.
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24th May 2007, 23:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85
1.1 box doesnt have sports ratios, is not a good box.
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Agreed I think it’s got a weaker diff also
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24th May 2007, 23:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ma5on
so it better to have a 1.4 gearbox then??
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Not necessarily… depends what your after… economy then the 1.4 box would be better.
For performance the VTS
Imagine your in 5th gear with your foot to the floor in the 1.4 box… and say you’ve only have the power get about 115-120mph and its geared to do 140… where as if you have a VTS box that’s geared to do about 122ish you will get there quicker and might even hit the limiter in 5th
The more you gear the engine speed down - the more torque you get to the wheels and the quicker you will get through the gears
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24th May 2007, 23:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joesnow
Agreed I think it’s got a weaker diff also
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it uses a smaller diff. ive said it many times
1.1 boxes are shit. the myth that theyre like a vts box needs to stop
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24th May 2007, 23:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joesnow
Not necessarily… depends what your after… economy then the 1.4 box would be better.
For performance the VTS
Imagine your in 5th gear with your foot to the floor in the 1.4 box… and say you’ve only have the power get about 115-120mph and its geared to do 140… where as if you have a VTS box that’s geared to do about 122ish you will get there quicker and might even hit the limiter in 5th
The more you gear the engine speed down - the more torque you get to the wheels and the quicker you will get through the gears
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can allways use different 5th gears if you want though
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25th May 2007, 00:45
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Are the 1.4 box's as strong as the VTR and/or VTS box's?
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25th May 2007, 00:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by James_Bristol
Are the 1.4 box's as strong as the VTR and/or VTS box's?
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smaller diff.
mine has taken lots of abuse though. 2 track days.
110in 4th on many occasion lol
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25th May 2007, 00:47
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Thats ok then, with keeping the 1.4 engine std ish power it should be ok anyway as is designed to last with that power/torque..
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25th May 2007, 00:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by James_Bristol
Thats ok then, with keeping the 1.4 engine std ish power it should be ok anyway as is designed to last with that power/torque..
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my vtr has more power and torque and hasnt killed it yet 
but then again i have heard of a term known as 'mechanical sympathy'
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25th May 2007, 00:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85
my vtr has more power and torque and hasnt killed it yet
but then again i have heard of a term known as 'mechanical sympathy' |
Thats ok then, the last thing i want is my box to die.. 
True, no good banging it into gears crunching etc..
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25th May 2007, 01:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by James_Bristol
Thats ok then, the last thing i want is my box to die..
True, no good banging it into gears crunching etc.. |
ive got a spare 1.4 box here anyway! along with my spare broken s1 rallye box, and xsi final drive LOL
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25th May 2007, 01:03
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Ooo, how much would you want for the 1.4 box??
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25th May 2007, 01:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by James_Bristol
Ooo, how much would you want for the 1.4 box??
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dpnno. bout £75 ono
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