furio power or vtr? - Saxperience

wardesaxoboy · 21st May 2010, 16:47

basically im picking a vtr engine and box and next week? is it worth taking the vtr parts and bolting them to the furio lump? or should i rebuild the vtr engine and dump some cams in it and have it mapped?

cheers guys

ReadieeVTS · 21st May 2010, 16:55

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Originally Posted by wardesaxoboy

basically im picking a vtr engine and box and next week? is it worth taking the vtr parts and bolting them to the furio lump? or should i rebuild the vtr engine and dump some cams in it and have it mapped?

cheers guys

Tbh mate if i was you id go all the way and VTS it for the effort of taking the engine out and putting a new in its worth going all the way, but if you've already bought it then i would put a CAM in (not cams as its a SOHC 8v)and get it mapped.

Lee

samueljonburgess · 21st May 2010, 17:42

if iam honest mate id go vtr if your picking it up... you can keep it out the car clean it up make it look nice/run well

if you think about the money ive spent and iam only on 90bhp.... you could start at 90...

3cott · 21st May 2010, 19:17

Drop the vtr lump in

Mochachino · 21st May 2010, 19:22

drop the vtr in as it is, no point rebuilding it and easy enough to jus put in.

Meanwhile get a vts engine and rebuilt that if you want to take things further. You might be happy with the vtr engine, im more than happy with my R engine

wardesaxoboy · 21st May 2010, 20:20

cheers for the help guys and ive decided the r lump will be dropped in next summer

as that gives me a year to build it up

any tips on what other parts i should change on the r lump as i want to do cams, and a few other bits ?
also only gonna stick the vtr engine in as i want to be different, everyone these days just drops a s lump in, but i personally think the vtr is better

stingray1987 · 21st May 2010, 21:03

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Originally Posted by wardesaxoboy

cheers for the help guys and ive decided the r lump will be dropped in next summer

as that gives me a year to build it up

any tips on what other parts i should change on the r lump as i want to do cams, and a few other bits ?
also only gonna stick the vtr engine in as i want to be different, everyone these days just drops a s lump in, but i personally think the vtr is better

ive just brought a vtr lump for my quiksilver as they have the same engine as the furio.
im just getting it fitted as i have 1 months warrenty on the engine so want get it in see if it is a dencet one whilst its still in warenty.
im keeping my 1.4 gearbox (should be quicker accelaration that vtr aswell

)
new quicksilver clutch
timing belt kit including rollers and tensioner
water pump
engine oil+oil filter
sparkplugs
gearbox oil
fuel filter
new coolant and power steering fluid
get the valve clearancies adjusted and set up.

if ur rebuilding the enigine i would change all the parts in the above list plus, headgasket,camsaft seals,valve seals,rocker cover gakset,sump gasket,head bolts (as they are strech fit).
then undo the 2 bolts on the big eads and check the big ends and push the piston up from underneith and check all the piston rings, if any cracks or scoring then these will neede changing. if not then i would just refit.

if you do want to cam the engine then this is the best time to do it as the cam goes into the head from the bottom up so means the head needs to come off the block so new headgasket ect.

if you do cam the engine then remember your going to need a veriner pully unless you find a cam that will run on standard timing but u want a veriner puly so u can get it set up on a rolling road and get the timing adjusted to make the most bhp.

if i was you i would clean the engine up get it fitted and do a compesion test on the engine to check the headgasket.
if it passes then just keep abit aside for if it does go on you.
give it a good service including getting the valves set up right.
then add a decent exhaust manifold and airfilter and jobs a good one.

you might be able to run the vtr engine on your furio ecu if you have the vtr injectors i will soon be able to tell you 100% as im hopefully having mine put in next weekend

samueljonburgess · 21st May 2010, 23:34

hope all goes well mate

wardesaxoboy · 22nd May 2010, 02:43

me too mate

i still love furio power though the little 1.4's are amazing, but its time to dump something bigger in, due to doing to many moterway miles

BLACK-SAXO-V-T-R · 22nd May 2010, 23:41

vtr with cam , stainless manifold and exhaust panel filter drilled airbox, and maybe a chip should be good

frankie · 22nd May 2010, 23:42

Vtr lump will be heavier

samueljonburgess · 23rd May 2010, 11:09

furio 840kg and the vtr bein 920

furio got an ally block?

stingray1987 · 23rd May 2010, 11:50

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Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

furio 840kg and the vtr bein 920

furio got an ally block?

after going to how many scrapyards and looking at engines ive found that the 1.1,1.4 and 1.6 8valve engines are almost identical.

the furio comes with 165,55,14 steel wheels and the vtr with 185,55,14 alloys so thats probs an extra 10-20kg with all for and the spare.

then the brakes are vented so they weigh more and the calipers are bigger so they weigh more aswell.

are the anti roll bar and torsion bars thicker?
do rear discs,calipers and pads weigh more than drums?
does the vtr have a bigger radiator?

all these little things could add up to the difference in weight.

samueljonburgess · 23rd May 2010, 12:24

1.1,furios and vtrs all have the same rad

i just wondered if the furio had an ally block? think somone said it before

MiDnighTcLuB · 23rd May 2010, 12:43

I think your right sam, they do have an ally block, bear in mind the vtr's have the disc beam axle aswell, basicly with all the other bits you said that basicly adds up all the weight