i would stay away from these at all cost, i " experiemented" with these for 4 weeks. Did everything perfect, used clomid for pct along with t booster and an adt. Yes they were good, made good gains. put on about 7kg in total, strength on all muscles increased. However with this came injuries to my knee an both shoulders (which still effect me even with psysio) and serious "back pump" pains that stopped me from doing any cardio over 5 minutes. Further to this a friend of mine got the dreaded gyno from it over a month after he finshed pct. This stuff is "designer steriods" and definatley NOT worth it. If you do go on it i would recommend not increasing weight much but increasing reps. I increased weight greatly on all lifts for a 5 rep max idea. Too much weight caused my injuries, muscles may be able to shift the weight but ligaments cannot!
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