SaxoMuffin's Awesome Throttle Bodied 8V.....Bodies and Suspension Fitted and Collected..But There's Problem's...19/05 - Page 22 - Saxperience

-shuggles- · 29th March 2011, 22:08

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Originally Posted by SaxoMuffin

Hopefully mine will be tingling too soon! haha!

Have you not got a slight fizzing sensation between you're prostate and penis yet?

Wayne · 29th March 2011, 22:13

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Originally Posted by SaxoMuffin

Sounds good! Are you going for the same kit as mine?

And yeah V-Power for this now..

Yeah same kit as yours and Omex management just want to get mine done and out the way first want mine on road as been off road since beginning of march last year, it's just money saving now for labour then all go go. Yeah mums goes very very well i must say so impressed with hers seems all the cleaning attention to detail has switched onto hers for now

you want to get a shell drivers card get points and money off fuel

hard_corejoeboy · 30th March 2011, 17:02

All the comments are well and true but the vts uses a different shorter ratio gear box instead of the vtr's long ratio (and ridiculously slow 5th gear)

VTS on bodies will rape VTR on bodies FACT

Fair play on you though at times i wish i just tuned my 8v rather than whacking the 16v in but then i think about what it will be like with tb's and change my mind..

SaxoMuffin · 30th March 2011, 17:10

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

All the comments are well and true but the vts uses a different shorter ratio gear box instead of the vtr's long ratio (and ridiculously slow 5th gear)

VTS on bodies will rape VTR on bodies FACT

Fair play on you though at times i wish i just tuned my 8v rather than whacking the 16v in but then i think about what it will be like with tb's and change my mind..

Not when you have a 1.4 xsi box which is shorter than the VTS box...

And not neccessarily look up a few posts at Richy_Rich's post stating that sje's 8v can beat his so not so much a fact..

But I'll say it again I'm not pushing for figures i'm pushing for a fun car to drive...Which is surely the reason why anyone modifies a car?!?!

hard_corejoeboy · 30th March 2011, 17:13

I dunno i just think everyone goes 16v in the end..

Jay_ · 30th March 2011, 17:16

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

I dunno i just think everyone goes 16v in the end..

people can do what they want. Fair play to saxomuffin for doing the 8v thing. which is what i wanted to do! its going to be an amazing car to drive!

hard_corejoeboy · 30th March 2011, 17:17

I didn't say he shouldn't i just asked why and said that everyone goes 16v in the end ;D

Richy_Rich · 30th March 2011, 17:20

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

All the comments are well and true but the vts uses a different shorter ratio gear box instead of the vtr's long ratio (and ridiculously slow 5th gear)

VTS on bodies will rape VTR on bodies FACT

Fair play on you though at times i wish i just tuned my 8v rather than whacking the 16v in but then i think about what it will be like with tb's and change my mind..

Right....

Far too many factors into this!

For one, like just said look up! Sje's cam'd bodie'd 8v can still pull away from my cam'd bodie'd 16v. simple as. Now thats to do with mine not getting full cam potential and can shake off 708/ph3's 16v's and thats been proven. before bodies, i stood no chance as well!

you statement may be true if they were done in a controlled environment, i.e. same type of cams & bodies & box......

and I'm sure sje can back me up, along with a few over on the 106oc.

-shuggles- · 30th March 2011, 17:34

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

I dunno i just think everyone goes 16v in the end..

why tho? good power can be gained from the 8valve... such at the white rallye it's on the same power as a bodied,cammed 16valve

Richy_Rich · 30th March 2011, 17:41

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Originally Posted by -shuggles-

why tho? good power can be gained from the 8valve... such at the white rallye it's on the same power as a bodied,cammed 16valve

Yup yup!

I'd loved to have gone that route! But i wasn't going to go mad....oops

-shuggles- · 30th March 2011, 17:43

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Originally Posted by Richy_Rich

Yup yup!

I'd loved to have gone that route! But i wasn't going to go mad....oops

Bet you wished you did now

Nothing better than a well tuned 8valve imo

hard_corejoeboy · 30th March 2011, 17:45

My saying is stay above 4k and you'll do em all day LOL

Richy_Rich · 30th March 2011, 17:54

I do & don't.

I do love the gti, and before bodies it was quicker than a standard 8v, so tbh i wouldn't have save any money! And about to beat sje's white skinny cock smoking arse!

Tufty · 30th March 2011, 18:31

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Originally Posted by Richy_Rich

Right....

Far too many factors into this!

For one, like just said look up! Sje's cam'd bodie'd 8v can still pull away from my cam'd bodie'd 16v. simple as. Now thats to do with mine not getting full cam potential and can shake off 708/ph3's 16v's and thats been proven. before bodies, i stood no chance as well!

you statement may be true if they were done in a controlled environment, i.e. same type of cams & bodies & box......

and I'm sure sje can back me up, along with a few over on the 106oc.

Its a fair point... vtr has a nice bit of torque low down, but a vts has more.
If you drop a vts lump you have just gained what, 20-30 bhp for easily under a grand. Then you got the added potential to that.

Sjes car has undergone serious work and is literally at its peak power, where you could almost say there is no more to gain.
Where as a 16v, you can peak an N/A vts at 200bhp and still have a safe engine for a good 3-4000 miles, and if you go above 220bhp which is really expensive then your looking at a frequent rebuild.

all i am saying is the scope of the engine etc.

The fact that you have a tbd 8v in sjes case that can pull away easy from standard 16vs and Rich`s itb 16v (probably not set up 100%) is pretty sweet, but from a personal factor, i would want to spend 4-5k cash on pulling away from something a bit more special than a saxo.

All the above is based on opinion to be honest, and muffins car will sound and be awesome

Richy_Rich · 30th March 2011, 18:49

Yer this is true!

I'm not trying to get into any arguments & clog this blog up!

Just thought I'd add my 2pence....

Tufty · 30th March 2011, 18:53

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Originally Posted by Richy_Rich

Yer this is true!

I'm not trying to get into any arguments & clog this blog up!

Just thought I'd add my 2pence....

Rich, course your not mate! Respect your opinion to be honest, if i had an 8v with his sort of power and saxo muffins it would still put a smile on my face

Richy_Rich · 30th March 2011, 19:01

Oh Yer!

Defo, I'm looking forward to wiping the smile of sonny's face! lol! (sje)

sje00 · 30th March 2011, 19:31

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

All the comments are well and true but the vts uses a different shorter ratio gear box instead of the vtr's long ratio (and ridiculously slow 5th gear)

VTS on bodies will rape VTR on bodies FACT

Fair play on you though at times i wish i just tuned my 8v rather than whacking the 16v in but then i think about what it will be like with tb's and change my mind..

Do all Vtr's have the same long box?? didnt think they did.

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Originally Posted by Richy_Rich

Right....

Far too many factors into this!

For one, like just said look up! Sje's cam'd bodie'd 8v can still pull away from my cam'd bodie'd 16v. simple as. Now thats to do with mine not getting full cam potential and can shake off 708/ph3's 16v's and thats been proven. before bodies, i stood no chance as well!

you statement may be true if they were done in a controlled environment, i.e. same type of cams & bodies & box......

and I'm sure sje can back me up, along with a few over on the 106oc.

I've played with cammed Gti's and Cammed and bodied Gti's and the cammed and Bodied Gti i sat dead next to smiling at the guy (LeeDiabloGti) all the way up to twice legal speeds and he didn't pull an inch!! (and i was only running 145bhpish then due to faulty TPS overfuelling.)

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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

My saying is stay above 4k and you'll do em all day LOL

??
Thats just after i come on cam and finish at 8300rpm.

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Originally Posted by Tufty

Its a fair point... vtr has a nice bit of torque low down, but a vts has more.
If you drop a vts lump you have just gained what, 20-30 bhp for easily under a grand. Then you got the added potential to that.

Sjes car has undergone serious work and is literally at its peak power, where you could almost say there is no more to gain.
Where as a 16v, you can peak an N/A vts at 200bhp and still have a safe engine for a good 3-4000 miles, and if you go above 220bhp which is really expensive then your looking at a frequent rebuild.

all i am saying is the scope of the engine etc.

The fact that you have a tbd 8v in sjes case that can pull away easy from standard 16vs and Rich`s itb 16v (probably not set up 100%) is pretty sweet, but from a personal factor, i would want to spend 4-5k cash on pulling away from something a bit more special than a saxo.

All the above is based on opinion to be honest, and muffins car will sound and be awesome

I'm only at the limit of my camshaft choice thats all.

yes a 16v will make 200bhp+. How many of them acheive it?? not many Most stumble at 195 if there lucky.

Speaking to Sandy 180bhp from an 8v is acheiveable! maybe more.

So plenty more to be gained. Also the 8v lump is surprisingly lighter than the 16v lump.

Much bigger/more powerful machinery have become very embarrased when they realised i was still next to them smiling when they thought i had long dissapeared. Only silly speeds do they leave me.

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Originally Posted by Richy_Rich

Oh Yer!

Defo, I'm looking forward to wiping the smile of sonny's face! lol! (sje)

Rich keep dreaming,