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12th November 2007, 17:33
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power figures FAQ! advise wanted.
right im looking at performance upgrades and want to know what realistic power + performace figures i will reach from following mods, also what is the price of a remap?
eccosse carbon induction (scoop style)
cams
adjustable pulleys
remap
4-2-1 manifold with decat and no centre silencer
start car is 98bhp saxo VTR. thanks Toby
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12th November 2007, 17:39
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Really it all depends on the cam's m8, the rest of the breather mod's arent going to really take effect until the cams are in and its been mapped!
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12th November 2007, 17:51
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think there kent 708's? not sure any help? iv been trying to find out,
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12th November 2007, 18:00
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didn't think they did a 708 profile for the vtr and by the way cam is the correct term when it comes to vtr as it only has 1 m8  by the way i have heard that the 285 profile is good for a vtr try qep as they deal with cat cams which i hear many good things about
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12th November 2007, 18:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smearsvtr
didn't think they did a 708 profile for the vtr and by the way cam is the correct term when it comes to vtr as it only has 1 m8 by the way i have heard that the 285 profile is good for a vtr try qep as they deal with cat cams which i hear many good things about |
yeh i know my stuff when it comes to mechanics, 8V single CAM lol no its a specific cam im being offered, just trying to find out.
can anybody give me a ballpark figure with said mods?
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12th November 2007, 18:42
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ok its a kent cam and pulley kit, pt 40 266 duration. anybody want to explain this to me?
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13th November 2007, 15:02
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nobody??
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13th November 2007, 21:37
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BUMP!!
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13th November 2007, 22:01
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Depends how well its done. But as its a late engines the original valve springs, rockers and ECU are very limiting so don’t expect miracles. You could always go for a full cam kit with springs, caps, rockers, pully and cam. That will open you up to much greater gains than just the cam. £400 plus for a good map as well.
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14th November 2007, 13:46
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yeh i wasnt expecting it to be masssive maybe around the 125bhp mark with all the work done?
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14th November 2007, 13:51
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would be more power per pounds if you stuck a vts engine in mate
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14th November 2007, 17:28
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would be more power per pounds if you stuck a vts engine in mate
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going to be looking at around 2k to drop in a VTS PROPERLY!
when all this will cost around 1k and should give same if not better performance.
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19th November 2007, 15:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby-VTR
yeh i wasnt expecting it to be masssive maybe around the 125bhp mark with all the work done?
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gmc 4-1 manifold
pugsport
filter
kent 266 cam
my quiky which is running a 98bh vtr engine made 124.5 bhp a month ago
thats without a remap also and it runs perfectly fine and idles fine once warmed up
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19th November 2007, 15:51
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Originally Posted by leeds106
with
gmc 4-1 manifold
pugsport
filter
kent 266 cam
my quiky which is running a 98bh vtr engine made 124.5 bhp a month ago
thats without a remap also and it runs perfectly fine and idles fine once warmed up
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what dose your car idle at warmed up?
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19th November 2007, 15:59
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Vtr with 120bhp won't be as quick as a stock Vts.
The vtr box is much longer!
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19th November 2007, 15:59
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well dials say 1k but on diagnostic machine is was showing just under
tends to touch about 1800rpm for a few secs and then slowly drops but it idles about 1300rpm till it warms up but after a few mins its perfectly fine
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19th November 2007, 16:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Quick
Vtr with 120bhp won't be as quick as a stock Vts.
The vtr box is much longer!
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see i say thats bollox cos i fine my vtr box perfectly fine in all gears
and till 80mph mine will stick by a vts pretty damn well
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19th November 2007, 16:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by leeds106
well dials say 1k but on diagnostic machine is was showing just under
tends to touch about 1800rpm for a few secs and then slowly drops but it idles about 1300rpm till it warms up but after a few mins its perfectly fine
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Mine idles like below the 1k mark 
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19th November 2007, 16:09
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it should do so far as i know they idle at about 850k
you can also fit a 285 cam with a remap and it will run as smooth as it did with standard cam in im told by a good source
think in new year im going for the 285 and remap so im hopeful of hitting around the 140bhp mark 
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19th November 2007, 16:10
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I'm hoping to get around 130BHP with the same mods including headwork and a remap when I get my VTR engine in.
scott
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