My 198.4bhp vt'R' yo! *engine works (on predator)* - Saxperience

Ryan^p · 19th November 2008, 01:02

I had my current road going vtr for about 4.5years now, although
sadly its just sitting spare on the driveway atm since ig to the 172.

I had been slowly building a track toy over a few years when an engine came up that was higher spec than the TBd engine I was going to use. Plan was to use this engine in my s1 rallye track toy, however soon the shell came up for sale and thought i couldnt be arsed to do the reshell for the engine, and so the rallye was broken down and is currently in bits on my drive lol!!

So following on from AlexR's thread about the history of the car heres how it begins for me.

Spec of car

Spec of the car is
engine:
TU5J4 1.6 16v
Emerald M3D ECU with shed motorsport adapter loom
All unused wires in engine bay removed
Baffled peugeot sport sump
Mocal oil cooler with thermostat
Polished and balanced crankshaft
New bearings all round
Rebore
Steel H section conrods
ARP rod bolts
High compression kit car pistons
Enlarged inlet and exhaust valves
Head ported to suit bigger valves and match inlet & exhaust systems
Solid camshaft followers
Double Stronger Valve springs
Catcams 803 cams
Maxi(S1600) exhaust header
2.5" stainless exhaust system
Maxi individual direct to head throttle bodies
Long polished trumpets
Larger pico injectors
Peugeot sport grpN engine mounts
Lightened and balanced flywheel
VTS fuel system setup

Transmission:

Valeo OE VTS clutch, brand new, quivvering with fear
S2 Rallye gearbox rebuilt with brand new citroen synchro rings, bearings, with uprated input shaft bearing, new seals etc
Quaife ATB differential with new bearings.
VTS driveshafts

Chassis:
2002 VTR chassis
Full 10 point OMP roll cage with door bars
Scuttle removed
Upper sparco strut brace, painted black
Lower OMP strut brace

custom spec faulkners, lowering 20-25mm roughly.
Peugeot sport grpA front dampers to match
Uprated wishbone bushes on new wishbones
New droplinks
New track rod ends
Power steering removed
Rear beam refurbished with new double bearings
Polyrace solid beam bushes
22mm peugeot sport torsion bars(standard are 19mm)
24mm rear anti roll bar(france are out of 25s at the mo)
GrpN Bilstein rear dampers
Shed motorsport toe settings

Wheels & Brakes:
15" VTS alloys with 195/50 Toyo R888s fitted
15" 205 1.9 GTI wheels with toyo proxies- falkens
306 GTi6 front brake calipers
Brembo 283mm front discs
Mintex M1155 front pads
OE mintex rear discs and pads
Goodridge braided hoses all round
406 23.8mm master cylinder
DOT 5.1 fluid thoroughly flushed through
Brake bias valve tweeked.

Bodywork & exterior:
Debadged boot, dewipered with wiring stripped out
Procomp carbon fibre bonnet with inner frame removed
Aerocatches for bonnet
Streamline carbon Fibre mirror caps
Mk1 rear lights
Fog lights removed & meshed
Storm single wiper conversion(temp measure)

Interior:

Stripped of all sound deadening & carpet
All unused wiring removed right back to fuse box and beyond.
VTS dials fitted with oil temp and coolant temp wired up to them.
TIM oil pressure and temp gauges in carbon panel
Window switches, fan override switch and hazard switch relocated to above
Momo steeringwheel
gauges in carbon panel.
Glovebox removed
heater fan etc removed
Carbon composite "rudi" front doorcards
S2 106 lower door bins
Recaro bucket seats
Black LUKE 4 point harnesses

The car came with cobra buckets but these i didnt really want in the car and so they were sold to a slaphead from up north who likes the sea. And the seats I replaced them with were my Recaros that were in the s1

The steering wheel was also changed to a momo one i had for the s1

As winter is approaching i didnt just want to be on cut slicks all the time, and so invested in a set of 205 rims for what is a short term plan until i get a set of flat faced compomotive mos i have refurbed.

and how it sits on current track wheels

The oil cap is currently leaking, and so I have a set of JP4 covers as the rubber seals better than instant gasget and so should give me a better seal aswell as stop the oil leak due to better oil cap deisgn. These will be going on hopefully in the next few weeks.

I then ordered a bullet cam kit, consisitng of bullet cam, microphone and solid state recorder. Sadly the recorder hasnt workd and so for track days ive had to bodge a short term camera mount

I had a track day booked for the 12th of this month and after a slight technical issue on route i made it there and completed the day. The car ran perfectly well all day long until a slight mistake in a corner on what we think was oil ended my day in the gravel. Other than that not alot came past all day long, the usual problems were bigger cars not wanting a saxo to come passed as they were to embarrassed and lots and lots of red flags slowing the day up.

whoops

gravel gets everywhere.

The car is now standing back at home needing a check over after the day, some future work for the car is to install the av kit once the new solid state recorder arrives, aswell as purchase a carbon or fibreglass boot, polycarb kit, fit my hispec 4 pots with some fruity pads, sort out my comp mos with refurb and some naughty rubber (R888s) and thats about it so far.

Going to be a long term project hopefully, with lots of track action, and no doubt alot of money spent down the line getting the best out of the car.

Jaytee · 19th November 2008, 01:10

Looks tasty ryan and sounds it. Loved the "Whooopsiiiiii" as well haha. Btw just how much bloody money do you have??

Ryan^p · 19th November 2008, 01:12

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Originally Posted by Jaytee

Looks tasty ryan and sounds it. Loved the "Whooopsiiiiii" as well haha. Btw just how much bloody money do you have??

Alot who have seen it found the Whoooopsie mildly amusing. Was my first off on track ever, yet wasnt anything serious so found the funny side.

LOL im selling off the s1 atm to try and get my bank account healthy again, I do a few different jobs to earn money to pay for my cars and dont piss money up the wall on drinking and smoking.

Jaytee · 19th November 2008, 01:15

Bet your neighbours love all the ongoing projects you have too.

Ryan^p · 19th November 2008, 01:20

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Originally Posted by Jaytee

Bet your neighbours love all the ongoing projects you have too.

er yeah could say that lol!!! at least im at uni so have 1 car up here at a time.

The s1 shell is getting scrapped really, cant be arsed with people fannying about who want a non rolling shell etc... ill just rape it for spares then get it cubed. My old saxo i need to remove the 4 pots from, fit 266brakes i had for the s1 and put my old vtr wheels on it. Then need to fix the lower engine mount as the engines rocking a bit (105k) and the ignition barrel. Then i have a spare car that ill prob just let my sister use for longer trips as im not selling it to see some chav slam it on its arse and fit lexus lights etc.... long term i might need the shell anyway lol...

Jaytee · 19th November 2008, 01:23

have a feeling im gonna be like that with my vtr cant see me ever selling it. soon as it gets an s engine and caged il just get another runabout. Ah well. But yeah got a good collection of cars there ryan.

frankie · 19th November 2008, 01:24

some proper good projects there.

will be a shame to see the rallye turned into coke cans though.

Ryan^p · 19th November 2008, 01:27

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Originally Posted by frankie

some proper good projects there.

will be a shame to see the rallye turned into coke cans though.

its only a shell, it was going to be very cool with the style i was going for. Not to bothered about the 'omg you cant scrap a rallye' brigade though. If someone isnt willing to buy it for scrap value or more ill take my money. Bit of a shame as had a bit of welding on the shell to make it road legal as when i got it there were a few holes shall we say.

Ryan^p · 19th November 2008, 01:29

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Originally Posted by Jaytee

have a feeling im gonna be like that with my vtr cant see me ever selling it. soon as it gets an s engine and caged il just get another runabout. Ah well. But yeah got a good collection of cars there ryan.

nearly fitted an s engine to the posi blue one lol! then my old TBd engine nearly went in it after i got fed up of waiting for payment on it. In the end i sold the bits off as thought having two TBd saxos would just be greedy and very uneconmical for me to have so much money invested. I have a crane here now though so the shitty 8v might not stay in it forever lol

frankie · 19th November 2008, 01:32

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Originally Posted by Ryan

nice gash

Ryan^p · 19th November 2008, 01:34

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Originally Posted by frankie

nice gash

jar lovely isnt it!! all welded up now though lol!!!

thats the main reason the 106 never got finished, it took me months to find someone who was willing to come weld it on my driveway.

frankie · 19th November 2008, 01:36

how did it happen?

hired a welder and DIY'd it lol.

Jaytee · 19th November 2008, 01:37

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Originally Posted by Ryan

nearly fitted an s engine to the posi blue one lol! then my old TBd engine nearly went in it after i got fed up of waiting for payment on it. In the end i sold the bits off as thought having two TBd saxos would just be greedy and very uneconmical for me to have so much money invested. I have a crane here now though so the shitty 8v might not stay in it forever lol

Yeah 8 valve is good to start with but its not long till you hanker for at least 16 lol. I can see me getting rediculous with mine though with the plans i have.

Ryan^p · 19th November 2008, 01:38

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Originally Posted by frankie

how did it happen?

hired a welder and DIY'd it lol.

i was cleaning the shell up to paint the inner arches to make em last longer, i investigated the rust, and it was bad, so i cut it out as on a track car the area i didnt want being weak and so it was better to sort sooner than later.

I wasnt practicing welding up an important area when id never welded before.

I do need to learn though so i can go for a madder cage in the vtr

Ryan^p · 19th November 2008, 01:40

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Originally Posted by Jaytee

Yeah 8 valve is good to start with but its not long till you hanker for at least 16 lol. I can see me getting rediculous with mine though with the plans i have.

for my first car the vtr was nice, just after a little while, and some track action the floors of it showed up to me, so rather than spending money on it, i sold off the procomp, and removed the btb as it was going to be used on the 16v engine. Sadly the 4 pots are still on it though lol!!! i need new rotors made up for my 2 piece disks.

I also didnt want to have my track toy as my only car incase anything happened.

qrty · 19th November 2008, 01:42

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Originally Posted by Ryan

The oil cap is currently leaking, and so I have a set of JP4 covers as the rubber seals better than instant gasget and so should give me a better seal aswell as stop the oil leak due to better oil cap deisgn. These will be going on hopefully in the next few weeks.

So do these covers fit straight on?

I had this problem, found out that the standard VTS oil cap had a common problem with leeking so Citroen developed a superseeding part! £5 from citroen, mines never leaked since!

All youre cars look amazing!

Ryan^p · 19th November 2008, 01:43

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Originally Posted by qrty

So do these covers fit straight on?

I had this problem, found out that the standard VTS oil cap had a common problem with leeking so Citroen developed a superseeding part! £5 from citroen, mines never leaked since!

All youre cars look amazing!

didnt know about the part, might have to investigate that short term, till ive sorted the new rubbers for the c2 covers lol!!
the JP4 covers are a straight fit as far as im aware (not fitted them myself to comment on personal findings) and should be better long term if i ever removed the cam covers with the J4 metal covers then id need to keep using the instant seal

thanks for that, although need to sort a slight leak from around the oil cooler thermostat as theres a bit of shit down there.