newmans ph3 - Saxperience

frapevts · 29th July 2010, 00:32

hi all i about to purchase sum cams for my vts fink im gunna get ph3 so far ive got usall mods manifold de cat full sytem bmc indution etc are these the best choice??

also what else is needed to fit them do i require a vernier pully as been told the standard ones are ajustable also will it run ok for a lil while untill get a remap any info will be great cheers dan

KamRacing · 29th July 2010, 10:41

it will run but a bit lumpy. You dont need to buy an additional vernier pulley set for the newmans PH3 as the standard ones can be adjusted.

mark1311 · 29th July 2010, 10:48

good idead to put set of new followers on aswell mate. as the followers where with the cams, dont ave to do it, and doset effect power, just makes it stronger engine.

simon123 · 29th July 2010, 11:18

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

it will run but a bit lumpy.newmans PH3 as the standard ones can be adjusted.

What do yom mean when you say "it will run but a bit lumpy"

raunchz · 29th July 2010, 11:21

the idle will be lumpy

stupotvtr · 29th July 2010, 13:09

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Originally Posted by simon123

What do yom mean when you say "it will run but a bit lumpy"

when idleing the revs wont stay at a constant rpm they will dip and rev slightly.

you tube lumpy idle there should be loads of examples.

frapevts · 29th July 2010, 13:18

Cheers guys so the ph3s are a gd cam to go with do u set them up on origanall timming marks I was also told sumthin about could advance the timming to get a beta idle??

stupotvtr · 29th July 2010, 13:22

ph3 or catcams 708 both virtually identical. Might be worth getting a vtr fpr as ive been told mines idles alot nicer than other cammed vts's and it uses the vtr fpr.

RAFkev · 29th July 2010, 14:45

Mine is on ph3 cams with a predator ecu. At a RR session in feb I recorded 164bhp ATF. Well happy with that.

I don't have a lumpy idle however mine idles at about 1100rpm. A little higher than standard just to prevent the lumpiness! And prevent stalling.

Jo3fish · 29th July 2010, 15:21

Everything you need to know can be found on/via this page;

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55729

Sticks threads are awsome

e.g. "cams thread".

Regards,
Joe

AndySAXO^p · 29th July 2010, 15:28

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Originally Posted by RAFkev

Mine is on ph3 cams with a predator ecu. At a RR session in feb I recorded 164bhp ATF. Well happy with that.

I don't have a lumpy idle however mine idles at about 1100rpm. A little higher than standard just to prevent the lumpiness! And prevent stalling.

What dyno was this on?

Yer they will tick over lumpy, til mapped and sorted.

RAFkev · 29th July 2010, 15:42

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Originally Posted by AndySAXO

What dyno was this on?

Yer they will tick over lumpy, til mapped and sorted.

AwesomeGTI.
It's a VW place near Manchester.
I thought it was a high figure but a Clio 182 went on it with only a K&N filter on it and that figure was 183bhp! So I figure it's accurate.

Russ_16v · 29th July 2010, 16:04

Unfortunately, its very rare for a 1*2 to get anyehere near its standard figures, a 172 should be 169bhp, and a 182 should be 179, but most 172's average around 160-165 bhp and most 182's around 170-175bhp.

Id say from that figure you will be running around 152-155 honest bhp.

Still a very good figure just for cams.

stupotvtr · 29th July 2010, 16:15

Yeah sounds high for 160bhp or more you usually need beadwork done.

RAFkev · 29th July 2010, 16:18

Well that's pissed on my parade!
Reckon there will be a mobile RR at Trax?

RAFkev · 29th July 2010, 16:22

Sorry for the thread hijack fella!

But yeah ph3 cams are good! Lol

stupotvtr · 29th July 2010, 16:28

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Originally Posted by RAFkev

Well that's pissed on my parade!
Reckon there will be a mobile RR at Trax?

mobile RR will read high so people see high figures then pay to put thier car on.

ask in you region if people know where a good RR is

AndySAXO^p · 29th July 2010, 16:36

yer never go on mobile RR figures.. and yer was going to say.. clio sport never really make the power stated from factory... best standard 182 i seem was about 169ish!!

even renualt garage will say the same.

but was that off just andy map and timing???

Russ_16v · 29th July 2010, 16:41

Best 182 iv seen has been 178 bhp standard, but the main problem is the inlet manifolds, they ar every poorly matched, some cars can see 10 bhp + from having the inlets matched in size.

I suggest RS Tuning in Leeds, very accurate rolling road, mine has made 192 bhp on Pauls rollers, im off back on Monday for a few tweaks as we ran out of time last session.

As for others, my list is very short:

RS Tuning
Tour-De-Force - Matt really knows his stuff and his rollers are known to also be accurate.

RAFkev · 29th July 2010, 16:44

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Originally Posted by AndySAXO

but was that off just andy map and timing???

Yeah. He's a demon with setting cars up! Obviously with mods listed in my sig below.
I'm doing a track day at oulton park in September so we'll see how it compares to other cars then. Does pull well up the range though. :-)
Oh and think I'll do a 0-60 or two at trax.