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13th August 2011, 15:19
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Boosted engine build
Looking at building up a boosted engine with forged stuff, Will i need to go for uprated stuff over standard becasue of the extra power?
What parts should i change apart from the obvious stuff?
Is there any guides of how to build up a engine, etc?
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13th August 2011, 16:04
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depends on what power u r going for?
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13th August 2011, 16:37
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What do you mean 'usual stuff'?
Be more specific!
General guide on building an engine really. Major criteria for succes is the quality of machining, correct clearances and accurate torquing of bolts.
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13th August 2011, 17:30
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Headgasket, cambelt, waterpump, big end bearings, main bearings, stem seals.
Well high boost run something like 18-20psi. 300bhp atw would be good but depends on turbo.
Its things like torque settings id be unsure about and where to start, having everything timed up correctly.
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13th August 2011, 19:40
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timing and stuff is easy, its the little things that ppl dont know about when building an engine
if youve not done... and dont really know, unless your prety confident wouldnt you rather someone else done it for you? as itd be alot of money to blow up...
if confident get yourself an engine building book, its all pretty much the same in majority, just some engine have extras etc, vtr/s engines are pretty simple to work on
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14th August 2011, 07:03
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timing and stuff is easy, its the little things that ppl dont know about when building an engine
if youve not done... and dont really know, unless your prety confident wouldnt you rather someone else done it for you? as itd be alot of money to blow up...
if confident get yourself an engine building book, its all pretty much the same in majority, just some engine have extras etc, vtr/s engines are pretty simple to work on
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Well its something ive always wanted to do. I could maybe get it checked over by someone when ive built bottom end.
Places by me charge about £600 for engine build.
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14th August 2011, 09:00
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You can't really check it over after
Things like torque settings and measuring clearances will be done as you build it up
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14th August 2011, 09:17
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Is there any specific or special tools i'd need?
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14th August 2011, 11:22
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If you are building an engine for the first time, I would be making a high spec high power boosted one!
Decent set of tools with torque wrench etc....
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14th August 2011, 14:16
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Feeler gauges
Torque wrenches (one to do small torques, and one for bigger - so maybe a 1/4" one and a 3/8" or 1/2" one)
Angle gauge
If got arp rod bolts then ideally a stretch gauge
Good set of sockets and ratchets
Engine stand
Valve spring compressors
Piston ring compressor
Set of good quality files
Good set of punches
Tap and die set
Can't think of much else right now
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14th August 2011, 15:38
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14th August 2011, 17:58
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Feeler gauges
Torque wrenches (one to do small torques, and one for bigger - so maybe a 1/4" one and a 3/8" or 1/2" one)
Angle gauge
If got arp rod bolts then ideally a stretch gauge
Good set of sockets and ratchets
Engine stand
Valve spring compressors
Piston ring compressor
Set of good quality files
Good set of punches
Tap and die set
Can't think of much else right now
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Spanners?
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14th August 2011, 18:34
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Spanners?
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And spanners
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16th August 2011, 15:54
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Right, i have found someone who will build me a engine cheap who used to be a mechanic at citroen and has built a few engines that i know off. Saves me building it up and getting it wrong.
Things im unsure of are boring the block, should i stay standard size?
What size headgasket and compression ratio to go for?
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16th August 2011, 16:11
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IMO I'd stay standard size
You going forged pistons? What head? Jp4 or j4?
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16th August 2011, 16:16
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if running forged low comp pistons, and the head hasnt been skimmed then a standard size head gasket is fine.
boring all depends wether or not you go for standard size or oversized pistons.
but you will atleast want to hone the bores.
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16th August 2011, 16:19
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Originally Posted by raunchz
IMO I'd stay standard size
You going forged pistons? What head? Jp4 or j4?
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Well hopefully forged rods and pistons, j4 head.
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if running forged low comp pistons, and the head hasnt been skimmed then a standard size head gasket is fine.
boring all depends wether or not you go for standard size or oversized pistons.
but you will atleast want to hone the bores.
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Ye i was thinking just a hone with standard size bore.
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16th August 2011, 16:26
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go off the condition of your block on strip down to what size you choose. If theyre in good shape use standard size with a light hone
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16th August 2011, 22:54
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You could take the opportunity to fit a stroker kit
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17th August 2011, 20:36
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have a go i am all good fun
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