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27th April 2012, 17:52
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ph3 cams help
just wondering if newman ph3 c2 vts cams will fit in a saxo vts engine?
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27th April 2012, 18:26
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IIRC the jp4 specific cams arent as wild as the j4 cams, due to clearance issues, hence why people have issues running there j4 cams in jp4's. So i'm not sure they would give as good power. Why not just run j4 specific cams? Plenty knocking around for sale second hand.
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27th April 2012, 18:41
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28th April 2012, 01:52
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well ive already got the jp4 cams just making sure they fitted and the car they were out of made 162.9 bhp with cams n remap 4-2-1 + bmc induction kit hes got print out 2 prove as well which i think is a good power figure
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28th April 2012, 05:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DanTvts
IIRC the jp4 specific cams arent as wild as the j4 cams, due to clearance issues, hence why people have issues running there j4 cams in jp4's. So i'm not sure they would give as good power. Why not just run j4 specific cams? Plenty knocking around for sale second hand.
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They're also ever so slightly aligned different.
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28th April 2012, 09:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by adam661
well ive already got the jp4 cams just making sure they fitted and the car they were out of made 162.9 bhp with cams n remap 4-2-1 + bmc induction kit hes got print out 2 prove as well which i think is a good power figure
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It is a very good power figure, reliable rollers? Also that would have been in the jp4 i imagine, which is obviously the engine they were made for. So it looks like they will fit just not perfectly.
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28th April 2012, 10:00
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the remap was done at chip wizards and i think ricky p fitted the cams the jp4 engine had j4 inlet and throttle cable and valves ect fitted
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28th April 2012, 10:15
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is it worth fitting them or should i try and sell them and but some 708s?
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28th April 2012, 11:03
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Sell them
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28th April 2012, 16:43
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rang ricky p and asked him and he said they fit no problems
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29th April 2012, 09:45
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They will fit fine.
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29th April 2012, 12:47
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Originally Posted by adam661
rang ricky p and asked him and he said they fit no problems
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If that is the case, then I wonder why the prices for the C2 and Saxo/Pug version are different. Hmm makes you wonder eh !
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29th April 2012, 15:15
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yehh if you look on kam racing the only difference between saxo 1s and the c2 1s are the c2 1s are very slightly lower lift
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29th April 2012, 16:30
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would you like to buy second hand ? I have some available pm me
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29th April 2012, 16:37
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nope haha ive got some cat 708s and the c2 newman ph3s already just gta decide which 1s to fit haha
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29th April 2012, 18:08
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Originally Posted by adam661
nope haha ive got some cat 708s and the c2 newman ph3s already just gta decide which 1s to fit haha
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If the 708's are j4 specific just fit those? Proven to work and as discussed the c2 ones will likely have slightly less lift.
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30th April 2012, 11:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordzilla
If that is the case, then I wonder why the prices for the C2 and Saxo/Pug version are different. Hmm makes you wonder eh !
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Because we sell crap loads more saxo ones. Economies of scale....
The C2 cams are designed to sit properly over the valves but also are not as wild as the valvetrain is weak and the ecu has a fit when really fruity camshafts are used in the c2.
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30th April 2012, 13:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordzilla
If that is the case, then I wonder why the prices for the C2 and Saxo/Pug version are different. Hmm makes you wonder eh !
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don't you run j4 cams in a jp4? last time i looked through your build thread you did
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30th April 2012, 14:07
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as kam said the cams are offset in a c2 you can use either but the lobes dont hit the followers perfectly plus the other draw backs kam mentioned
also take that 162bhp figure with a massive pinch of salt, its a well known fact that chip wizards over read by miles
im expecting 155bhp when my car is mapped in a few weeks with jenveys and 708's, with ph3's id looking more around 167bhp annoyingly enough
there is noway a milder cam with a standard inlet will make anything close to 150bhp, 160+ is such a large figure its laughable, rolling road figures are only useful if you always use the same rollers to compare figures before and after
Last edited by jeffchiz; 30th April 2012 at 14:09.
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30th April 2012, 14:20
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you wont see any gain by using the saxo ph3 over 708's
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